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Jina Seer (00:00.546)

Hey everyone, it's Jina. Welcome to this member episode. I don't know if you can hear it, but I have a thunderstorm. Well, the thunder has kind of subsided, but I've got some rain out my window. I hope you can hear it because it's kind of a nice little vibe. All right, today I wanted to talk to you about the idea of soulmates, twin flames, soul contracts, other lifetimes with people.

Now, I'm not inside everybody's head, but just like every other human, I am making judgments. The difference is I try not to hold these judgments against people, and I try to be totally aware of them instead of just sweeping them under the the rug and letting them subconsciously control me. but I was talking to a friend the other day, and I was reminded of this thing. And so let's get into it.

Okay. So what I was reminded of was the Megan Fox MGK relationship. And this friend I was talking to is a huge machine gun Kelly fan. And I don't know a lot about pop culture or celebrity culture. but the idea of Megan Fox has obviously gotten into my consciousness.

And I've heard her say these things. I've heard her talk about manifestation. I've heard her talk about astrology and seeing other lifetimes. And I remember, I think when MGK and Megan Fox were first getting together, I think I was I went through a phase at some point in my adult life where I was like very much like I subscribed to People magazine and sometimes I would like watch that.

show TMZ. I don't know if it still is a show, but there was like a show. It was like a thirty minute show in the evenings. And I remember thinking like, she seems into that stuff. That's cool. And I was too. anyway, I think of it because it was such a public relationship. They obviously have a, you know, emotional connection. I have no idea what the status of their relationship is now. I know they have a kid together. I don't even

Jina Seer (02:23.126)

At a quick internet search, it sounds like she doesn't even really talk about the status of their relationship. I don't know if you can hear Roxanne snoring, but it's like the thunder ends and she snores. She thunder really scares her, so I think she's kind of like awake the whole time and then passes out when the thunder stops. Anyway, I

First of all, what I'll say about Megan Fox is that is one courageous motherfucker because I wish that I could be that in love with someone. I mean, to me, it's like the same reason why I don't do hard drugs. Like that I just feel like of course I would love that high. But how am I gonna come down from that? You know what I mean? Like

I that's literally where my mind goes. So people who get swept up in these really intense loving relationships or emotional relationships, and then they, you know, are in the public eye. So they have that public experience. I'm always just like, wow, I just I can't even imagine. Like I just don't have that courage. anyway, she talks a lot about.

Soulmates, twin flames, soul contracts, or she has, it's all over the internet about her and MGK. And something that I think is interesting is they at some point broke up. I don't know if they're broken up now, but I know at some point there's like internet evidence of a breakup. And I wonder about these people who show up in these relationships and not only feel so intensely and make great po proclamations about their relationship, in public.

But what happens when our mind, we truly believe this is our soulmate. This is our twin flame. This we have a soul contract with this person. We need to be together. I'm genuinely concerned for those clients when they come in. Anytime someone uses like this is my soulmate, this is my twin flame, this is my person, you know, we have a soul contract to do A, B, and C in this life.

Jina Seer (04:41.177)

I just really want to say, as someone who believes that we make a lot of these decisions before we even come into this life, I don't think that a soul contract or the idea of a twin flame or a soulmate should keep someone in a relationship that's making them unhealthy mentally, emotionally, physically.

I really do believe this life here is to individuate, to be and know ourselves. Because when we truly be and know ourselves, we're in touch with that divinity, that divine human spark that we are. And if we're truly in touch with it through that avenue of unconditional love, compassion, authenticity, joy, gratitude, it's in that space that we

Yes, learn about ourselves and see that in ourselves and then live accordingly with higher standards. But we also allow other people to do the same thing. And not only that, we are okay with it because it's like, I went on that journey. Of course I want this for you. And then we stop trying to control people and keep them smaller. And instead we just like honor who they are.

Which sounds great, right? Like, why wouldn't everyone just do that? But the truth is, is that that's terrifying to a part of us. Like a part of us wants to learn and grow and expand and change. And another part of us finds all of that very terrifying. You know, like how often do people subconsciously block the growth or the evolution of their romantic partner because they don't want things to change?

They don't want the other person to change. They don't want their life to change. And it's all very valid, but I think if we're talking about happiness and love and finding inner peace and joy, that's not it. Like we have to be able to expand our awareness to know like this is what I want and why.

Jina Seer (07:02.947)

And then to use our courage to step in that direction when it gets hard. All of that is to say when we use words like twin flame, soulmate, or we have a soul contract, I think a lot of people use that and it almost like cancels out their free will. They feel like they need to be in this relationship and wait for this person to wake up or they need to not grow and change so they can.

be in this relationship to complete the soul contract. If you do any digging on soul contracts and people who are doing grounded work in this area, any one of them will tell you, your soul contract, it's it's not like a real estate contract here. It's like, hey, if all goes well, we're gonna do these things. And if not, something else happened. You know?

like I said in the last episode on July first, where it's like we can't tell the future. You know, you can't pick one thing and then be like, I don't know, when I'm 30 or 50, this'll be how it is. And it's like, no, there are so many people with so many f so much free will that influence our path. Like we can't predict the future. We can control and try to be a certain

person in that future. But I can't predict what someone's gonna be, right? Like if I was meant to have a relationship with someone who was abusive, I'm not, there's no way in any sort of good divine love from the benefic source that is in this universe that I come from. There's no way that is my path for any life.

Is to not live my life so someone else can be happy. That's the opposite of why I'm here. The reason I'm here is to figure out who I am and live my life. So, all of those words, while I want to feel that kind of romantic love and I think it would be fun, I caution people when they use those words. I think it puts us in a mindset.

Jina Seer (09:26.907)

That limits us. It limits what we see as an opportunity. It limits our perspective on who we are and what we can accomplish. And if you're using those terms and somehow, it's helping you grow and evolve. And I'm not saying helping you fit into a relationship better. I'm saying helping you individually grow and evolve in a way that's unique to you.

Then yeah, use whatever words you want. So talking to this friend, I was like, yes, those two, their connection. I'm like, my God, are they still together? Like I had all these questions because I get concerned about people who use terms like that. So if I was in a position where I felt like, and I have been in a position where I'm like, this person and I have some kind of soul contract, first, that's a feeling to me first.

Like there is a reason why this person is in my life. And I I'm saying in this episode, I'm using the word soul contract, but in my life as Gina, I don't even use the word soul contract because of what it implies. Like what it implies to, you know, the human part of my brain, what it implies to anybody listening. And I'm an intuitive person. So I have had people come into my life where they have created.

Yeah, just like shock waves. You can feel this person walk into your life. You don't even know it yet, you know? So I would not say the word soulmate for my ex-husband. I wouldn't even say we had a soul contract. Certainly not a twin flame. I don't think I share my soul with anyone. I don't think that's how it happens. And as someone who is recovering from codependence, twin flame language is like, my God, could you be more codependent? Frightening. Frightening to me. To me.

You know, you do you. so so what I would do instead, and what I have done before, so my ex-husband, Alex, we are very much, we have had lifetimes together. I have seen them, and I've seen him in so many lifetimes, and I have never once set out into a journey into another lifetime to see him. I have had different intentions, I've gone into these lifetimes, had the experience, and he

Jina Seer (11:53.613)

Is just a character in the play. And everything means something in those journeys. And even though he wasn't the point of those journeys, it always gave me clarity on a dynamic between us. And we always had a pretty solid friendship. And we were together for about four years. And then we were married for about four years. And then we like opened up our relationship.

And through that, the opening up of the relationship, so we were not monogamous. And at that point we weren't even really romantic together. It was like just trying to figure out like what is going on. Like I feel so connected to this person, but I am just a very I need a good sexual connection. Like sorry if that's too much information for you, but I do. Like I just do. If I don't have a good connection like that with someone.

I don't want share a house with you. I certainly do not want to share a bed with you. I don't want to share a bedroom with you. I don't want to share a bathroom with you. I have so much love for so many people, but I don't want to be that close to people if I'm not that close. You know what I mean? So that's just how I am. that was really hard for me to wrap my mind around. And I wanted to be more open-minded than that, and I just couldn't. And so we just

slowly transitioned our relationship, but we've always had this deep, deep bond between us. And part of the reason I sit here four years after we got a divorce, we're still good friends. We still share three dogs. Part of the reason why we can be such good friends is neither of us is harboring romantic feelings for the other one. I mean, that is the most earthly truth that I can tell you.

We are both open to conversation. We are both open to deep thoughts. We are both compassionate to each other. We have both spent time in our shadows understanding projection and subconscious rules that we live by. We've learned enough about ourselves to give compassion to the other person. So we have done the work.

Jina Seer (14:18.661)

There isn't the romantic component messing things up. That is an altered state of consciousness. I don't know if that would be this would be possible if we didn't have that. If we had that romantic, if someone was harboring those romantic feelings. but also we have all of these stories in my head. I have all of these lifetime experiences where he's constantly showing up as this same person.

Someone who sees me and doesn't have a critique or someone who trusts me to we still have some investments together. So it's like there's so much there, but is he my soulmate? I don't think so. I mean, if I can only have one, I don't know. I would rather have like a romantic soulmate. Can I have a romantic one instead? No offense. I mean, I love him to death, but he's more so like.

my brother at this point. So it was a lot of confusing feelings for me. Just, you know, is it okay to follow what I want here? Am I going to regret this? And I really relied on experiencing other lifetimes. But still in that time, I never went to another lifetime looking for information about my relationship with Alex. The closest I got to that was I'm going to go to another lifetime and I'm going to experience

Whatever it is that I need to embody for this next phase of my life. Like as I was kind of leading the conversations and the orientation to getting a divorce and transitioning to, you know, a close friendship where we share some things still, I wasn't following anybody's example. I don't know anyone else with this kind of connection. And so I was consistently

asking my higher self, asking in these journeys to other lifetimes to be like, show me who I need to be to move forward on this path. Because I think I'm not unique in this. I think sometimes we get a glimpse of where we truly want to go. And it's terrifying. It's terrifying to be like, wow, I thought my life was going to be like this. And actually if I'm brutally honest, which I have no choice but to do that right now, I actually want to be over there.

Jina Seer (16:45.773)

On that mountain range on top of that mountain. So I have to somehow get myself over there and get the skills to get myself over there and get the hope to keep myself going and the belief in myself. So I don't talk myself out of it. Cause I am my own worst critic. I will keep me the smallest.

And that's how I really leaned on this experience of another lifetime in the midst of even a very consuming romantic situation or the dissolution of what once was a romantic partnership. So I like to show up to those and be like, I don't know what I need to see, but I just know I got a mountain in front of me and I need to know what I need to remember as I'm climbing that mountain, and I want to experience another lifetime that's gonna help me.

activate whatever strength, perspective, will grit that I need to move forward in that. And so that's how I used it. But sometimes a client will come in and they'll be like, I want to know the connection between me and insert their lover or an ex-lover who they can't get over. And I just think

We're not gonna do that. That's such a waste of time. It's not a waste of time. It's just I know you want something else. We can get that information in a second. If you are coming to another, if you are coming to a hypnotic journey to another lifetime, and the question in your head is, Have I had a lifetime with this other person before? The answer is yes. Now ask a different question and have a better experience, a more fruitful experience, right?

So when a client would come in and say, I want to understand our past life connection, I always would ask, why? What are you really searching for? Yes, you have a past life connection. You probably have so many lives together. What are you really searching for today? Are you wondering if you should get a divorce? Are you wondering if you should

Jina Seer (18:50.799)

Get your family to move across the country? Are you w like, what are you really wondering here? Are you wondering why you can't stop arguing with him? Are you wondering why you won't stop doing this in the relationship or this won't stop being friction in the relationship? Like go with the intention of creating peace today in that connection and be open to what peace can look like in that connection. I one time had an astrologer look at my chart.

And she just glanced at it. So she didn't like really take it in. But she looked at my chart and she's like, You've only been married once and you're still married? And at the time I had been married like just a few years, like three years or something like that. And I'm like, Yeah, why? And she's like, I don't know. I guess just looking at a few things in your chart, it seems like you would have been married a few times by now. And I was like, I don't know, 35 or something. And I thought.

I wish I had the courage to just dive into it like that. And I do not. And I I don't think it's dumb. I think it takes a lot of fucking courage. Is it the right choice? It seems like it can really go down in a ball of flames, but I know that life is not about avoiding balls of flame. What terrifies me about relationships is when we look back and go, it used to be so good. Like that is

I hate that feeling. And I had a past life regression like that once, which I talked to you about last month. It's just a gross feeling. So if anything, to experience a lifetime that would help me understand the connection I have with this person, you know, that would probably be as far as I go. But even that I would say, why do you want to understand? Are you looking for some peace? Are you looking for what should you do next?

Are you looking for insert answer to a different question related to your unique connection? There's all kinds of ways that we can go about it. and to stop at this is my soulmate twin flame or we have a soul contract is just such a narrow, stifling, unhelpful, honestly, way to look at it.

Jina Seer (21:13.603)

So that astrologer though was right on some level because I do love the pickup phase of a relationship. But I bring up that astrologer also because that's another way to kind of sense into this energy. It's undeniable when we have a connection with someone. And I used to be someone who would say things like, we've had a past life together. And I would think that that was like a big deal or it meant something.

But I think we've had a past life with many, many people and we make meaning out of our life. So if we want to make that past life mean something in this life, we need to do that. And we're the only ones who can do that. So the other way though, like past life, exploring other lifetimes, you know that's my jam. But when it comes to like understanding the energy of people, I rely on astrology.

all the time, even to the point now where if I have a romantic connection with someone, I will ask them. I I also don't read a chart unless I've asked you, right? Like, can I look up your chart? so I have asked people like when is your, you know, what are your birth date and time and location? And I always tell them, I want to read your birth chart. And I always think it would be fun. And I know sometime I will find someone who's like

I want you to tell me what you find. But I've not yet met someone who says that. And I'm not asking to read everybody's birth chart. There's actually been one person who created enough heartbreak in my little romantic life in the last few years where I was like, yo, dude, I need your birth chart. I have to understand what's going on here. And you are not great at telling stuff. So and it was really interesting because I felt very much like

That soul connection to someone is just very profound. the things that happen carry a lot of weight, you know. Sometimes we meet someone and the things they say, like they don't even know they're saying things, and it's just like fireworks in our life, you know, whether it's like a bomb being blown up to a different perspective that we always had, or something else, right? Them showing us a different part of ourselves, like a way they love us or appreciate us.

Jina Seer (23:42.041)

And it can be a really beautiful thing, but sometimes all of that can create a lot of emotion, good or bad. And that can create just a lot of feeling. And if you've listened to this podcast, you know I love astrology and it clarifies so much for me. So in those times, when it comes to what should I embody, how should I move forward? What do I want for myself? I'll go into hypnosis, into another lifetime or connect with my higher self.

And for situations like where it's some romantic interest, it's not going well. I don't want to devote a whole hypnosis session to them, but I would like to glimpse this energy. I will ask for the birth chart. And not only when it's going bad, I ask for the birth chart even if it's going good. Because it's interesting to me. and it I always see something. And so what I've learned, this is armchair astrology from someone who's never been trained, but I have been.

you know, loosely studying it for the better part of a decade. But when you look at someone's chart and their birth chart and match it up with your own birth chart, which means you're doing a sinistry read, like the energy between the two of you, that can be another great way to just get a different insight into a relationship, romantic or not, that is creating a lot of emotion, making it hard to understand your way forward, how to deal with this.

Interaction or this person or this situation or yourself in this situation, whatever it is. So for example, the last romantic connection I had, I was just like, I put it off, I put it off, and finally I was like, I need this be birth chart. Like I have to know what this energy is between us because it's undeniable. But it's not like this is my person kind of energy.

Like part of me wanted to spend time with him and be with him, but it felt more like like an activation kind of, like an expansion of awareness. But you could say that with anyone who you like get deep with, especially as we get older, we meet more people who are different from us, completely different, you know, completely different upbringing, whatever. and anyway, so this was a lot. It and it was kind of a lot for me to like sift through the emotion of it.

Jina Seer (26:02.117)

But what I found was that, no, this is astrology talk. I'm sorry if you're not into it. But there's a there's a part of our chart and it's your Chiron placement, and it's like where your biggest lessons in life come from. It you can't avoid it. These are lessons and threads and flavors that follow probably almost every issue that you have.

And for me, my Chiron is in my seventh house, which is relationships, which is I learned through relationships. I learned so much about myself through relationships. I've struggled a lot with codependency. I was basically brainwashed into being codependent to survive my childhood and didn't know that was a thing. So continued operating like that, which led to a life where I just felt super burned out and exhausted and hated life in my mid-30s.

You know, so relationship themes for me. And so when I learned what the seventh house was, relationships, you're big relationships in your life. Not necessarily only romantic, but romantic for sure if you have like long term. and that wounding is there. So it's always something I'll be learning from. I will see progress if I keep at it, but it probably might not ever feel easy. But maybe because now that I'm impro a

Coming up on my Chiron return. I'm doing more research into like what does that mean? And my research is really geared toward around tell me how this is a good thing. So I don't spend the next five years dreading it. And in that, there is like, you know, that healing that we can do. So it it's not always an issue. We can get beyond it, but it might be something that's always a tendency for us to do, right? Like right now.

I don't think of myself as a codependent person. I don't operate that way, but I do get in situations where the parts of me that chose codependency are very much like, should we do this again? And I'm like, no, let's not. Right. So I can still see these things in me, but they're not running the show. So that's Chiron. Big wound, lifetime, right?

Jina Seer (28:10.041)

And then we have our south node and our north node and our birth chart. So everyone has this. Your south node in evolutionary astrology. The idea is your south node is like your past life, the things you came into this life knowing. And then your north node is like where you're headed. All the lessons in your life, it's pushing you to this thing. So in my chart, my south node.

is in Aquarius. It's in my fourth house, which doesn't matter for this conversation, but it's in Aquarius. So of course I would not be a trained astrologer talking for what will probably be a while in about astrology in this episode. I'm a f I'm a South Node Aquarius. That means I've spent lifetimes in that Aquarian energy. It's the scientist, it's the hermit, it's the observer, it's the processor.

It's the one who processes shit for the community and then brings it to the community to help them. That is all easy to me. It is literally how I live my life. I don't even think twice about it. The thought of having a job where I just mindlessly work for someone else, there's a part of my brain that wants that. Seems like it would be euphoric on some levels, but this part of me that's like, no, we are here for the collective, we are learning shit and we are passing it on. That part I can't stop.

It's automatic. It runs the show. I'm aware of it, but it's just there. That's my self node. That's where I'm coming from. Yeah. I've had astrologers be like, that's why you know us about astrology and you're not an astrologer in this life, is because you have been. I'm like, yeah, that makes so much sense. But my north node is in Leo. It's like who you are, you know, it's like shining. It's about being on the stage.

Having everybody look at you. It's about going from being the observer in the quiet shadows to being observed, even though you maybe want to be in the shadows. You are not in the shadows. And that's indicative. Every job I've had has pushed me to be a public speaker, to lead groups, to have a blog, have a podcast, have a social media presence. These are not things I want to do. I don't

Jina Seer (30:29.803)

innately want to be in front of everyone, but the nature of my work in today's world pushes me out there and it's pushing me toward my north node. And it wasn't until I understood that that I understood like, so if I feel like I'm failing, which I always felt like I was failing in that realm, I still feel like I'm failing in that realm. That's actually natural. And it's not that you should give up. It's that don't sweat it.

you might never feel like you mastered it. And that's part of the whole mentality of it. And that what that's what keeps you learning and growing. When you master something, you're not learning it. You're not growing in that space. You're just effortlessly, automatically doing it. It's kind of it's subconscious. so the north note is very, very much undeniable. You can't do it. And then also my north note is like on my mid-heaven. Like it just it makes sense for the work I do.

But bringing it back to figuring out relationships, this last romantic connection I was in, it was very confusing, a lot of emotion. And when I pulled up this dude's birth chart, now I told him, I was like, I'll tell you what I find. And he's like, you know, said some throwaway comment, like it's made up, it doesn't exist. And I was like, you know what? I just like gave him a really condescending pat on the knee, and I said,

The cool thing about astrology is that even if you don't think it's working, it's working. And after the last time I saw him, I pulled up his birth chart, and our Chirons are conjunct in the seventh house. So that could be why it felt like my own personal heaven and my own personal hell. Like both. This guy was doing both.

and that Chiron is in a square to my nodes, where I come from and where I'm going. In a square can be contentious. And it's not like it's bad. It's just like this is pushing you farther, but it's the type of like pushing you farther, like like you're on a trail, you didn't bring enough water. You will never not bring enough water again. Like you're happy it happened, but it fucking sucks to go through.

Jina Seer (32:54.772)

And that's how that was. And when I pulled it up, I was like, our chirons are conjunct. And then I was like, huh. His south node is on my north node. My north node is on his south node. Or whatever. I don't know if I said that right. But our nodes are conjunct on top of each other in the chart, but they're flopped. And so in my read on that is like

That relationship is more of an activator, which it very much was. Like when I did this research and like what do other people on the internet say this is, and what do I feel this is? It was like this is very much an activating relationship because of the Chiron conjunct. And then when you throw in the square to my nodes, and then when you throw in the fact that his nodes and my nodes were conjunct, I was like, okay.

It really when I first saw that before I did the research, I was like, I this dude, I can't figure out if he was the best thing ever and I fucked it up, or if he was full of shit. And I think it's probably both. Mm and that nodal conjunction was like, and that's why it feels like it could be, or it could be the exact opposite. This is heaven and this is hell. which was

Actually, really interesting. So all of that to say, you can also go to the birth chart and you can also pull it up. Look at your birth chart. Look at their birth chart. Line up the rising signs and then see what falls on it. And just do a quick Google. See what sticks out to you. What planets are near each other. Do a Google. So those are my ways. When I am dealing with things where I'm like, there's a contract here, there is a reason why we're going through this. This feels bigger than me.

I always experience another lifetime that will help me embody and move forward in a way that's in alignment with my values and where I want to go in this life. And then sometimes in addition to that, or in replacement of it, depending on the relationship, I'll do a quick look at their birth chart and my birth chart. Anyway, those are my tricks for getting through those sticky situations. All right, everybody, that's where I'm gonna land this plane.

Jina Seer (35:18.328)

I'm curious, what do you think? Do you use these terms? Twin flame, soulmate, soul contract. Are they confusing to you on any level? Are they helpful to you and you feel judged by my commentary? Please know that I want to hear your point of view. Prove me wrong. I'm always looking to expand my awareness and learn more. But that's what I think about those things. And yeah, oftentimes people tie that to that exploration of other lifetimes.

So I want to just squeak that in here. Looking forward to anything you want to share. And I hope you'll join me at our group hypnosis on July 18th. I am so looking forward to gathering with you all. And yeah, we're gonna gather, do a group live hypnotic journey. And my intention is in a few months to kind of shift a little bit and add a gathering.

or a few gatherings where we can get together and just chat. Like not necessarily take a hypnotic journey, but can we chat about these topics? Do you have questions? Do you have an experience that you want to talk about with me? I want to hear it all. so I'm kind of putting that together in my mind. So if you have a desire there, if you hear me say that and you're like, hell yeah, I want that, let me know.

But I am feeling that I'm craving those conversations. And it wouldn't be much. It would be like an hour, something like that. Just meet, discuss questions, answers, giggles, and then close it and roll out of there. So I'm thinking of it, thinking late summer or fall. But until then, meet me in July on July 18th. And if you won't be there, I will be sharing the replay of that. And that'll be available to those in the inner field membership.

Okay, everyone. Thank you so much for being here. I will be back on the first with a new episode and a new theme for the month. We're getting out there. Non-human lives. I can't wait to share these stories with you.