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Jina Seer (00:00.142)

I'm so glad you're here. Let's paint the picture. I've got a coffee here. I'm settling in. I've got a little handheld mic. And I'm just comfortable here with my notebook and my fantasy vision of this. Let's get into it. Should we get into it? This is my fantasy vision of this. I want this to feel like we are in this like

communal living room. It's massive. Floor-to-ceiling windows surround us. It's beautiful out there. Really beautiful trees who are like our friends. And then we are sitting kind of near a fireplace and we are in a sunken living room. My babysitter in the 80s had a sunken living room and I just thought it was the coziest, coolest thing.

And so that's where we're at. We're in this fantasy sunken living room. Picture it. Fluffy couch, but like modern, beautiful to look at, but like even more delicious to sink into. What color is your blanket? I've got a blanket here. Perfect end tables wherever we need them. Yeah, here we go. Let's just have this conversation.

This is something that I've talked about before, but I'm just excited to be in this and to be in this conversation. If you've been with me for a while, you know that I, well, I think we're all always on a journey of exploring ourselves and going deeper, which is why we're here. And it's why I have such an affinity for you people. But I didn't want this to feel like I had to wrap it up in a bow. I started to realize

really in the year that I wasn't podcasting, like what is it about the podcast that was burning me out? And there are certain things that were burning me out that I just have to do if I'm gonna have a podcast. So I had to like rework my perspective around it. And then there was also this like...

Jina Seer (02:18.12)

needing to, yeah, I think for me, putting out a public pod podcast episode for whatever it is in my life right now, I feel like it needs to be a story, have an endpoint, have a point. And that's great. And I like that challenge, but I'm really missing just kind of these meandering conversations where I talk from like inside the work.

not after it's resolved. And for me, I'm such a verbal processor that it actually helps me to like reflect and be in it, you know, pick a theme and dive into it. And so I wanted a place where I didn't have to like compress that story or make it shiny or pull a thread out that makes sense to everybody, you know, explaining myself to strangers. And I just wanted something that was like

just speaking from the middle of it because I think that is what feels so hard for me. It's when it seems like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I definitely speak from the lesson, from the polished, from the, this thing's all healed up. Here's what I learned. Sorry about this throat thing. I think I'm coming down with something, but the way I've lined up my production schedule, I can't not record this right now. Okay, so

It's really, I just wanted to be in it and be in it with you all. I think that that's the hardest part for me is when I feel like I should, I always feel like I should have this shit figured out. I should be farther than I already am. And I'm just not. So just sink into it and just do it. And I love that. I love conversations where people don't have it figured out. I love hearing other people's responses to those. Like, when...

here's how I figured it out for me. Or when I was in that situation, this is what worked for me, or this is what got me through it. Or maybe someone just being like, yeah, I'm in it too, it sucks. know? Sometimes when we know we're not alone, like that's just, that's enough to kind of give us some buoyancy, some lightness in life. And I just, that is what it is. It's about...

Jina Seer (04:40.753)

creating more of that buoyancy and that lightness in life. That's like, you know, always been my mission. And so this is the phase I'm in right now. And I'm excited to just like have these conversations and I'm thankful for ears who listen and I'm thankful for ears who listen and anyone who wants to share, you know, their reactions to it or their own version of it. Like I love hearing those stories too. So yeah.

I have been thinking so much about consciousness and awareness. If you've been listening to the podcast in the last six months, I think that's been very clear. And if you were on my email list for a while, was just, well, in the time I wasn't recording a podcast publicly, I was still sending audio files to my email list. And for me, things are always changing, but it was like 2024,

2023 was like big changes for me. things like, moved into a house and I have this house to myself and it was the first time ever in my life where I feel like I've created a home that is totally me. I'm not fighting anything when I'm here. And it was the first time in my life where I started journaling, honestly.

like honestly, even the ugly shit. And that stuff really sounds so little, but it really shifted me internally and really expanded my awareness. And so I think the blessing of like expanding your awareness is that we can feel wisdom. That's what wisdom is. It's like seeing it all, understanding it's there, but having like, to me, having like the emotional capacity

to still navigate with my truest, best, highest good in mind. Not succumbing to old fears, old ways of thinking of myself, old ways of holding myself back. And in 2023, through all of that, I also had a road trip that was like the longest road trip I think I've ever taken to date. It was like...

Jina Seer (07:07.934)

the two or three thousand miles and it was big like it was just big and it kind of kicked off this like really big time in my life and by the time i got to the end of 2023 big time meaning like big expansions in awareness i remember at the end of this road trip for you know like a number of things were going on but what was

happening at one point for me was I was like sitting outside this coffee shop that was like hustling and bustling and I was drinking a coffee and I just like literally it was like a Rolodex going through my brain of like how much my smallness has held me back in ways that I had never seen in my life before and it was just like this Rolodex and I'm like my god this road trip is just it was filled with stuff like that

And the road trip was great. It was, you know, equal parts, highs and lows, which to me is always incredibly expansive. So by the end of 2023, I was just like, had expanded my awareness, was journaling honestly, and was like, dude.

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I am so sick of my shit. And I remember telling a friend at the beginning of 2024, like I am seeking full ego death. It's gonna happen this year. I'm so sick of my shit. And it's just the same shit in different ways. And what do I need to do to stop doing this? Cause like in journaling, honestly, in living alone, in just kind of settling into a life that felt

the most like me than I had ever done before, really kind of kicked up a lot of stuff for me. And so at the beginning of 2024, I knew that I needed to like really shift some things. So much like my relationship to my work and what I felt like I was capable of and how I am in romantic relationships and just kind of seeing myself in ways that had never been.

known to me. So I was sick of it. And at the beginning of 2024, I was like, all right, full ego death. Here we go. And, and I didn't know what that was going to look like. But so often in my life, just the way the things go, at least right now is I have an idea, it feels a certain way, I know I need to act on it. And in acting on it. In any way, I know that it's going to get me to where I need to go.

And sometimes I have a knowing come in that I act on and I think I'm using it as a means to an end. But actually that action I'm taking is changing me in ways that will change the opportunities in the direction I go when I'm done with it, if that makes sense. So kind of a weird shift in all of that too, kind of like my...

Awareness wasn't only changing, but my real relationship to it and kind of my capacity to hold anxious emotions and be like, what is this? We're not going to act on it right now. Anyway, so as I was, you know, holding that intention and, kind of thinking of ways that I could do it, I was reading books on plant medicine and plant medicine journeys, like Michael Pollan's book, I think it's called expand your mind or

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something about plants. I read like Terrence McKenna and stuff like that. But I read a lot on just shifting your consciousness, plant medicine, because I had also been feeling this drive to engage in like a plant medicine ceremony, whether it was doing another mushroom journey. I had done one in early 2023 or a couple of them in early 2023, early 2022, sorry. And

I was feeling like this needs to be something different. Not that I think that stuff is better or more impactful than hypnosis. You know, I always ride and die for hypnosis. It's been so impactful for me. But I needed something that would like shake me, like something that I am not familiar with. You know, I just needed like this shaking, I felt like. So I had set that intention and kind of forgot about it. And then...

A few months later something else happened and I was like, yo, I gotta get on this ego death thing. Like I am just so sick of my shit. And so I said to one friend, I said, I want to do like a plant medicine journey. I don't know if it's going to be mushrooms. I don't know what it's going to be, but I want to do it. So I planted the seed with her because she was someone who was like, this might happen with her.

I planted the seed with her. And then the next day I was texting with a friend, a different friend, and I was like asking her about visiting her for a weekend or being in the same city as she is for a weekend. And I was like, you want to get together and go on a walk or hang out for a bit. And she said, no, I can't do it that weekend. I'm actually going to be in Northern California doing an Ayahuasca ceremony. And I was like, what?

Well, and so I got the information from her and she was like, I don't know, it's kind of culty. I'm nervous. I don't think it is a cult, but I'm getting some vibes. She's also like a recovering Christian, you know, grew up and was traumatized by the church. So, and this was like kind of a Christian-ish group.

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And anyway, so she was a little nervous. So she was like, my God, if you came with that'd be great. And I was like, do you mind if I crash? Like that'd be amazing. So we, so we go through this ceremony. It's expansive. I talked about it on past lives and the divine. I think it was like episode one 80 something. And, and then I closed down my podcast and yeah. And then a few months later I was with that same group at a different location.

doing another ayahuasca weekend and That one was not I didn't leave there Feeling the warm and fuzzies for that group like I did the first time and it was actually like really jarring and I actually shared an audio file with my With the people on my email list because I wasn't podcasting publicly at that time and I shared a little bit about it. I should actually dig into it Let me know if you want to hear it. Maybe I would share that

audio file. Let me know in the comments if you want to hear it and maybe I'll share it. If you want to hear it, I'll share it. But if not, I'm not going to dig it up and post it. But it was just this wild expansion. went to Egypt throughout that year. I did a few hikes that were really long, really grueling. I did like 50 miles across near Escalante, Utah, like in the canyons and along the Escalante River.

in the Escalante River for some of it. And then I also hiked across the Grand Canyon alone. It was a very expansive year and it kind of culminated with this trip to Egypt which was wild, wild. Like the last night I was there, we were in the Great Pyramid in the King's Chamber and we all took turns laying in the sarcophagus.

while the rest of us leaned over the sarcophagus and rolled three ohms over that person. It was so intense and beautiful and wonderful. And I just like, can't even believe I went on that trip. I'm just so happy I did go on that trip. It was very expansive. So all of these things I did and I got to the end of the 2024 and was just like, God damn. I just like, what am I doing with my life? And I just felt this

Jina Seer (15:36.751)

settling happening and it was like everything I wanted to do seemed so far away I was like slowing down and again settling to me has always been this negative connotation word like settling is not good like when someone settles in a relationship when someone

settles anytime. It always seems like a bad thing, but I was feeling this settling from all this expansion I was doing and living alone and creating my own home and feeling supported and capable of that and, you know, like within myself, supported to do it and capable enough to do it and

Yeah, it was just this expansion, this settling. Like I could feel I had really kicked the hornet's nest and things were changing and I knew like my work was changing and I was getting like clear visions of where I wanted to go with my work and it just seemed like really big and scary and like am I even gonna be able to pull that off? And so it was just kind of a lot, like a lot of shifts, like things I had asked for, but things I wasn't necessarily 100 % ready for.

So 2025, I didn't run my membership group for half the year. I wasn't outwardly podcasting, but I was still like with my regular client load. And then above and beyond that, was just exploring higher self sessions with people specifically. And I was recording these sessions and I'll maybe use them in the future. I thought I was gonna use them on the podcast, but I didn't. So.

Anyway, I was just like working my ass off, just like trying to get a foundation of like, where am I going? What am I doing? How am I going to shift things? And it started with like relaunching the podcast, which I did, and just really settling into a flow with the podcast. Something I don't have to think about. I don't have to recreate the wheel. It's like, I needed to set it up in a way that old Gina would have been like, this is boring.

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but this version of Gina is like, that's boring, it's fine, I'll slam dunk it. I don't need everything to be so fucking titillating, you know? And so I set the podcast up in a way that feels really good and I shared like more of my personal story when I first came back and it just all, yeah, just kind of unfolded. I'm just following my intuition and for whatever reason,

It's like I'm being kind of urged to be like share more of my personal story, but it just it's not what I wanted to want to do publicly right now. You know, just everything I said before, I just don't have the bandwidth right now to and I just don't I want to speak from inside this work. So, yeah, and, know, because I

I guess, am who I am. I've spent, you know, a lot of time outside. I love moving my body. It's so good for my mental health. Anyone who says they don't work out and they have depression and anxiety, I don't know. To me, that just makes so much sense. I battle a lot mentally and working out really kind of drains the venom, as I like to say. So,

Along with that, I've always had like a drive and a real peace and an interest in the wilderness and the outdoors. In the outdoors, I hike a lot. My college degree was recreation and sports management. So a lot of that was like outdoor learning, wilderness, backcountry learning, leadership, that sort of thing. And, you know, obviously if you're leading people in the wilderness, things can get very dicey.

But I never felt like I had enough training. I always felt like an imposter in that realm. And, you know, I'm 45 now. I graduated from college like 20 plus years ago or whatever. And I've always had a passion for the outdoors. A lot of my vacationing when I was, like had a corporate job and would vacation or whatever. A lot of it was around hiking and being outside.

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And so I just always have continued that, but it's really ramped up and it's really ramped up in accordance, in, I don't know, tandem with this like expansion of awareness that I've had in the last few years. And really, I mean, I could, I'll probably talk way more about it in the future, but just how much being outside and how much moving our body can give us access to our inner knowing.

give us access to a real feeling of peace, like a flush of excess emotions or energy in your body if you deal with that. But I really attribute, like, not only the plant medicine journeys and the big trip to Egypt and the big hiking trips, but my daily hikes are like microdosing of that connection, of that expansion. And so I really wanted to do this marathon.

in Prescott because I've lived here for since summer of 22 and every fall I have been like I want to do the marathon but I'm not strong enough to do it. It's one of the hardest marathons they say in the country. It's almost 4,000 feet of climbing which is like doing 400 flights of stairs and it's 26 miles and it's grueling. You're going up and down. Down is almost harder than up on your muscles and

And I finally was strong enough to do it this year. had the grit and capacity and to do the training schedule and I did it. And I was like, shit, what am I going to do with this level of fitness? What's next? What am I going to do? Like I've never been this strong. And there's this through hike in Joshua Tree National Park where I love Joshua Tree. I think the first time I was there was

I don't know, 2015 or something like that. And in the last five years, it's been like a home away from home. And there's this 37 mile hike and I've always thought it'd be cool to do it, but I was always like too intimidated, didn't trust myself. I've talked about this before, but I did it and I finished it. And I genuinely thought like, this is my next initiation.

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What can I do next? I just want to keep pushing it in the back country. And what has been a little seed in my mind was spring of 23. was doing this or no spring of 24. was doing this hike. Leading the hike was a outdoor mentor of mine. And we were talking about this iconic trail, the Pacific Crest Trail that runs from Mexico to Canada. And she's hiked it twice. It's like

20, 2100 miles or something like that or 2600 miles or something like that. And, you know, as someone who's been in the outdoors, I've known about this trail for 25 years, of course, it's like, my God, what if I could hike it? But I just don't, I haven't had the ability to, and if I have the ability to, I haven't wanted to take five months out of my life to do it. But my mentor,

looked at me and she looked at my pack and everything and she's like, I've been with you these five days, you could do the PCT, you could do that trail. And I'm like, fuck, are you sure? Like, that seems wild to me. And she's like, you totally could. And she knows because she's like basically outfitted me and like helped me kind of get my gear where I want it to be. And I've learned so much from her. Her name is Carrot Quinn.

Her book Through Hiking Will Break Your Heart is something that I've listened to so many times and she's such a Just a little wildling. I just love her story. I love the way she writes her second book The Sunset Route is about when she was like in her 20s and she would Hop trains like to get across the United States Anyway, I love people with an interesting story and background different way of doing life

And so she had kind of planted that seed and I was like, I don't want to take that much time away. But after this Joshua tree hike, I'm like, what's next? What am I doing next? What am I going to do? And I thought I could do the desert section of the PCT, which is 700 miles. And you go from the Mexican border of California to kind of the southern terminus of the high Sierras. I really had this vision of like, who am I going to be?

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And who do I want to be? And what's my fastest route to get to her? At the end of that Joshua Tree hike in October of 25, I was like, I'm going to do a 700 mile hike in 2026. And that's where I'm going to leave this episode. I'm going to come back and record a little something else. But I'm going to leave this right here.

And I'm gonna come back and record just like the thought that went into that 700 mile hike and why I ultimately decided not to do it and what I'm doing instead. And just kind of the thought that went into it and where I'm at right now. I just settled on the decision recently like in the last solid week to not do it. I was thinking about it and I gave myself two weeks to like really think about it.

really dive into it. And a conversation kept coming to my mind, a conversation that I had with Meredith, the astrologer, if you listen to past lives in the divine, the previous iteration of seer sessions, Meredith and I had met probably about a year ago, like early 2025. And we were talking about 2024. And she said something that really stuck with me.

And it's a question that's echoed in my head ever since that conversation. And it just kept coming back in my head when I was thinking about the 700 mile hike. And yeah, so I'll be back in another episode to tell you about that and how that relates to awareness, consciousness, and the journey I'm on right now.