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Hey everyone, it's Jina. You're listening to Seer Sessions. This episode is a part two episode. So if you have not listened to the previous episode, which is episode 212, you might want to go back and listen to that first. I had friends over at my house. They were willing to take a couple of hypnotic journeys with me. One of them being the hypnotic journey that I shared in episode 211. In that hypnotic journey, we journey to the higher self using hypnosis.

We access the trance state and access the inner knowing, the wisdom of our soul, the part of us that's eternal, never dies, lives life after life and life in between lives. In that hypnotic journey, we explore things like consciousness, consciousness and creativity. What is consciousness and does it change as we heal and grow? Understanding what blocks you when it comes to what you want most and so much more. So that's episode two, 11.

This episode is part two of a discussion that begins in the previous episode, like I said, episode 212. It's three friends of mine and myself sitting in my living room, hot tea in hand. They had just come out of this hypnotic journey and I wanted to know what they experienced. I believe that we can access a lot of the same information, this higher knowing, the collective consciousness, our higher self.

But even a universal truth can come out differently person to person. Our earth suit, our body, our perception, our life's experiences, those all influence how we interpret a message from these subtle planes. So that's another thing that I think is interesting about these conversations when these small groups get together, go on these journeys and then share what they get. It's so interesting to me to see the overlap in the messages.

In this continuation of the conversation, we talk about creativity, cringe, blocks to creativity, blocks to what we want most in life. And then we also dig into hierarchical language and specifically within the healing spiritual realm, higher consciousness, expanded awareness, more evolved. It's something that I've been thinking about a lot, especially since I've been

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talking about the higher self so much. And while I don't think the universe is labeling things as good or bad, I think the universe just is. I believe that as a human, we label things as good or bad for ourselves, for the collective based on where we're going in general, based on where we're going today. But in terms of the universe, the pure consciousness that we return to

after our experience here on earth. It's not like the universe likes me more because I'm evolving or healing or trying to grow, become a more peaceful person. But I, as the creator of my own life, I believe that's better. And so I do use hierarchical language because for me personally, it is important.

Anyway, we have a lot of feelings about it. It organically came up in this conversation and I was excited about it because it was something I had been thinking about a lot. Okay, let's get into this conversation. Creating, cringe, beliefs, perception, anything that you got there. Erica, do you want to go? Would you mind going?

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Stop trying to take everything so seriously and play. Go into it with the mindset of a child playing with curiosity and wonder. No one faults a child for learning something new or creating a piece of artwork that goes on the fridge. You're celebrated for simply exploring, learning, creating. Let wonder and joy and curiosity lead you. Stop worrying about the outcome. Get lost in the journey.

You can have a goal in mind to reach, but allow yourself space to change direction or to try something a different way. It may surprise you where an unplanned turn may lead you. Just getting lost in the play of it all. And that the cringe is something that's manufactured that we do to ourselves. but it's also a marker of growth. When we look back at something that

maybe we poured our entire heart into and it was an accumulation of our best work and everything that we could do at that time. We were so proud of it. And we look back at it five years later and we feel cringey and almost embarrassed of how could I have been proud of that? When really all that cringe is telling us, look how far you've grown, look how far you've come because your best work then in comparison to what you do now, that's that's a cringey feeling.

When you explain it like that, it just reminds me of my inability to let go and be a beginner. Even when I'm learning something new, I feel like the trainer is probably annoyed with me because I should know this already. And it's like, you just paid this person thousands of dollars to teach you. Why do you think you should know? But in that, it's almost like tied to what you said before, too, where it's like remembering why you did it and to be like in the play of it, too.

And to let that, and to me what that tells me is it's a reminder to me to let that be like a valid desire in why I do something. Because I also know from my business, from watching my business, from watching myself flow with creativity, that's when I create the best things. For me and for other people is when I'm in that state. So that should be like a part of my goals. Yeah, okay. You ready?

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Okay.

So I got that I am often held back by doubt and distrust of my own plans. And if I can see consciousness as a guide towards my most evolved self, then I'm already understanding the fundamentals and the practical steps in the body to work towards the dream that I wish to see. And it

They were like, take action, no matter how small, whatever step you take, it's towards your dream. And then I got a lot of, some things about expansion and contraction and that they're a part of the growth and lesson cycle. and both being equally important as they balance.

consciousness energy and our collective energy. So it's important to have the contraction and expansion phase. And I was told I often resist the contraction phase. And that by resisting that contraction, by like always trying to move towards some goal and not allowing myself not to have a goal that I'm missing the energy

and the time for the energy, the ability for energy to really build and the time for integration. And that those things are key in order to really experience full expansion of my ability to tap into like more of an expanded consciousness. It was like a, I was shown like this, it was like a cloud and it was like a small tube. And then it just like kind of like went out.

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It was like if you were to just really allow yourself to live through the contraction tube, you will be, you know, it will explode into the cloud and you'll have access to the entire cloud. But if, you know, if you're going to resist the contraction and not even like go through the contraction phase, you're not going to get to the full expansive cloud of consciousness. Yeah. Because I refuse to allow myself to have a contraction phase because

condition to think I should always be working towards something. Whether you want to speak to it personally or generally, what does that mean, contraction phase? I think I know what it means. But even if you have a better understanding on an energetic level, but what does that mean for you? Do you see a specific thing where you're like, this is a contraction and I'm avoiding it?

Or is it more general? Anything you have there? I think for me, and again, I'm, you know, we're all unique. think how we experience consciousness is different, but that's a whole different conversation. But, for me, I think it's my, that feeling of being stuck. It's like, once I get to something and I complete the thing that I wanted to complete, it's like, well, what next? And it's like, why can't I just.

allow myself not to have ideas for a little while. Why not allow that stuff to build back up in me, give myself space and time. So for me, it is a stuck period and it's to me, it can feel very uncomfortable, but I think I'm starting to in the last couple of years, get more comfortable with the stuck phase because I know it will eventually pass, but that has only happened with the

wisdom of time, you know, to know that like, I'm not going to feel this way forever. But it for me, the contraction phase is like, when I'm like, I feel stuck, I have no fresh ideas, or like, I just feel stagnant, you know, so yeah.

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I think of that as that sacred geometry where it's a circle with a dot in the middle. I'm sure there's a name for it. But to me, that contraction is like every time I'm contracted, that's when I'm doubting this magic. That's when I'm doubting this work. That's when I'm doubting myself. And in that contracted phase, the more belief I have in myself, trust I have in myself, in magic, in divinity, whatever that means,

the then when I expand that belief expands exponentially and in that expanded belief in myself trust in myself trust in the goodness trust in my ability to work with the flow of the universe it gets more and I feel like we think that's the growth but to me personally the growth is believing when everything in my brain is like this isn't true whatever and it's almost like

That to me is the work of a contraction phase. It's like feeling disconnected. When I feel stuck, I'm feeling disconnected from my magic, from source, from God. And that it's like, that was something I really learned this year where it's like, it's in that contraction that you choose to believe and act like it and choose those thoughts and avoid other thoughts that like pull you out unnecessarily. And then it's like it expense.

It expands just like everything else. But if you wait to believe till you're out here.

It's a little shaky. I don't know if that makes sense, but did you already go over on this one, right? Okay. We are saying consciousness is consciousness, all that is. And then we're saying most evolved, best work, biggest, wisest, even consciousness is. I think we could be better served if we're going to label anything.

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Right? the organization that you're talking about. If we are going to label anything, I think our energy could be better served.

labeling most helpful tool, wisest belief, most potential for positive shift, and not focusing so much on this wisest, biggest, best conscious version of ourselves. I don't think I believe that consciousness

I'm up against, do I believe consciousness changes?

So if I follow my metaphor of the sun, the science of stars, but I do believe that eventually, right, from a scientific standpoint, the sun will burn out.

So then if I believe consciousness is the sun, or I'm following that metaphor, then in some ways there is change there. But would we say that the sun is the best and the biggest and the wisest when it's burning versus when it burns out? I don't think so. So I just don't think it's helpful to think of consciousness in terms of like a superlative at all.

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hierarchical language, it bothers me. And so thinking about this, which I, of course, have been thinking a lot about this, like if it bothers me, why do I use it? And here's what it is. I think the real problem is that when spiritual people think they're better than other people because they've expanded their awareness and consciousness. And I think if you're doing it correctly, you're doing it. We're doing it in a way where we feel more unconditional love as much as a human can for ourselves.

and intern for other people. So to think that I am higher than someone who's just maybe on a different path or made different choices or was born in a different area to different parents, that's where I think it gets gross. So it's not necessarily the language right now for me. It's just the fact that a lot of people are like, I'm spiritual and I'm so much better than everybody else.

I don't like the hierarchical language, but the real problem is thinking that one is better than the other. The universe just is. It just is. It's not saying this is bad or this is good. That's the power of being a human, too. We get to say this is bad. This is good. know, collectively, we can have morals and standards, but in terms of just the universe, there is no ultimate good or bad.

And so the way we measure vibration, for example, there's lower frequency vibration and higher frequency vibration. And I'm talking about a higher frequency and more elevated state of being of Jina. And to me, that would be my higher self. So I don't think my higher self is better than me. I think we're all working, we're all doing, we're all being, and that's the whole point of it all.

But for me, Jina, in my experience, my life gets better the more my consciousness is elevated, the more my awareness is expanded, the more the capacity to endure is expanded, my capacity for joy also gets expanded. I don't think of it as better, it's just Jina personally feels better when I embody more of that energy, and that's what I'm going for.

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I'm not doing it so then I can be better than everyone else. Oftentimes when spiritual people kind of hit a certain level or a certain income level, they start to think, I am better than everybody. And we just kind of naturally don't do the work then. The work is staying grounded in the earthly experience of a soul evolving. That's my game anyway.

That's my two cents about the higher self and hierarchical language. And I'm sure there will be more in the future as I learn and grow and my awareness expands. Yeah, I think it's one of the reasons why I want to dig into this because I just, feel like the way we talk about it misses the mark in the sense of like creating real change. A lot of times a critique on the spiritual community is there's problems externally.

Why are you focusing on yourself? And so I feel an insecurity there in the times that I do focus on myself. And so it's a search of like, what is that missing piece? I believe that as we grow, heal, evolve, however we want to say it, that it does change the world. I don't think consciousness or the universe thinks even Hitler's bad, but I think we can look at someone like Hitler and go, bad.

And then we just don't even think about ourselves. And it's like, how many people held him up? And that's a fear state or a contraction state or whatever. If they were more compassionate, opening, open and loving, I think we can get there, but I don't know how to get there without labels. But I think it's important not to label to be like, I'm up here, you're down there. But for me to be able to label and go, that is something I want to change. then the cringe feeling, okay.

with that. So discernment then, I think cringe is helping us to discern when something is out of alignment with our perception or our belief. So then instead of, if we must label, okay, label. But there is an alternative, I think, to say, okay, if that's out of alignment, what tool, what perception, what belief.

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will help me get there and I've already talked about embarrassment and shame in that sense. And with that I think that because we put so much weight on perception, the cringe is also how am I being perceived?

Yeah, I think that's all I have in the sense of like that cringe feeling. In that space, were you able to pick up on like parts of your perception, parts of your beliefs that block you, block what you want, block creativity? Mine sort of goes back to the cringe factor because it's about...

like belief and how I feel like it's a choice and at times it makes me choose the story that I tell myself and I might feel and based on that story I tell myself I may react a certain way to something or do make a certain decision and then I may feel cringe if perhaps I begin to question

And this does happen to me. I start to question my choice to believe in myself that I'm choosing correctly. Like, I don't trust that I have the ability to make the right choice. Like, I'm always like, and I'm a Libra rising, so I'm always like going back and forth, like, what's the right choice? I don't really know. Like, you know, it's really hard for me to make decisions. And then when I make a decision,

and I felt like I was believing in myself and it didn't work out, it makes me start to question not just like why that didn't work out, but like should you believe in yourself? And that is what holds me back. And the advice I got was you have, you must, the minute you start to feel that way, you have to decide to choose differently.

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And just let it go and know you'll have the option to choose differently. Um, but you can't change the past. Like what choice you made brought you on this path. And now, you know, you, you probably are going to face other situations where you start to question if you should believe in yourself and you need to notice that and decide I'm not going to, I'm not, that's not the choice I'm going to make. I'm not going to make the choice to question my own belief in myself.

Does that feel doable to you? Like to me, that's the hard work. I mean, sure. It seems doable, but when you get in it, it's like all of that, you know, you just go right back into like a pattern, a pattern, a well-worn pattern. so it's really hard work to like, take yourself out of the situation and sort of, you know, go from a higher, you know, like up above the cloud perspective of.

wait a second. This may be a different set of people or a different place or a different thing, but it's the same story. And so if I know it's the same story, I can tell myself like, wait a second, don't start distrusting yourself. but that like making that choice to, to, to notice and then really just double down and believe in myself. Like,

Staying do loo-loo is the sololo. I think is what the kids say. Being do loo-loo is the sololo. Like being delusional is the solution. So like, just have to like convince myself to be a little delusional and believe in myself regardless. Regardless like, yeah, this was really crazy, but I still believe in myself. Like it didn't work out, but I'm gonna make different choices next time. Cause I'll have the option. I will have the opportunity.

to face this lesson again, I know. And choose differently. But that shit is hard. It's so hard. So going back to consciousness is all that is. Perception is trying to make sense of all that is. Compassion is understanding that perception is not truth. So that can be applied to...

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The way that I'm perceiving the world is different from the way that you perceive the world. And that's okay because our perception is not truth. That can also apply to the way that I believe something about myself. I'm not enough in this. I don't like the way I do this. If I had compassion for myself in that the perception, that perception also isn't the truth. And in

having these labels, the labels are helpful to help us make sense, to grasp the little bits that we can to try and build a picture that we can understand, but also remembering that those labels are not truth. And so in keeping that reminder, I think that also keeps us grounded and in alignment with consciousness. Otherwise, that's when we get lost.

in those labels, in those constructs. Yeah, I like that. You were reading something at the beginning. Can you read it again? It was something about perception, like the word perception was in there. At the beginning of this or the very No, this question. You were looking at a different one. I... Consciousness is all that is. Perception is trying to make sense of all that is.

Compassion is understanding that perception is not truth. yes, yes, yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Understanding that perception is not truth. I just, I think that if we could get that as a society, that would be massive. Because I just feel like that's what it is. It's like, it's not like that for me, so it must not be like that for you. So fuck you. Why do you need help?

And to understand that, like, no, everyone has a different perception. Everyone has these different life experiences. And you don't have to know what that is to know it's different and then listen. All right, last couple of questions had to do with consciousness or our awareness and our ability to access other lifetimes. Did you get anything for that? Yes. I put accessing other lifetimes gives us an additional lens, another perspective.

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And in that, we can get a spark of inspiration. But then if we stop in the remembering and don't take it from perception down into that body consciousness and do something, then we're still missing the point of consciousness and creativity. So then I wrote, past life regression is a tool, like sunscreen. Trans.

is a natural cycle like a sunrise or sunset.

So past life regression is a tool like sunscreen. Trance is a natural cycle like the sunrise or the sunset. So like our consciousness is either way and we can access it either way because that's innate, right? One of the natural cycles that helps us innately access it is trance. Past life regression is a tool that we've created.

to help us navigate consciousness in the way that we want to.

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Yeah, so other lifetimes, consciousness. Did you get anything for it? OK.

Going back to the metaphor of consciousness being like the ocean, each life is a different shaped vessel scooping up water, but those different shapes, the different materials hold the water in a different way. If it's a wooden cup that maybe has a crack in it, if it's a copper bowl that you're scooping that may

make the water taste a little bit different. If it's a large, it changes the shape of that water, of that consciousness, even though what's inside is the same. The way that that water is being experienced is different. But at the end, it all gets poured back in. then I also have a very lovely drawing as well. that kind of looks like a lotus.

mandala, and if you have consciousness at the very center, each life is like a petal that starts in the center and petals outward, but each petal overlaps. And you could sit there and look at that mandala and trace your finger and never pick that finger back up, because they overlap in so many different ways. And that's where a lot of like memories come through, or even if you have a dream that feels like it was from a different lifetime and you're not actively

trying to do a past life regression, but those little pieces kind of leak through. It's where those petals are overlapping. And some petals are closer together on the mandala, so you get a little bit more overlap versus the ones that are on the opposite side that maybe they just touch in the center. And so those may be the lives that come forward more often or feel have a bigger impact on the life that we are living right now because they're right next to us. There's more overlap.

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But at the end, it all comes from the same point. And the closer they get to center, the more they're overlapping.

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I have a follow-up question, but I'm actually going to be asked. I'll ask it. It's just the last.

Okay, so I was shown a heart and I think then you asked what like body part or how there was a question around like what would consciousness be like in our body. But for me I got how it's tied to the body. got the consciousness is the heart and brain. It both keeps it keeps your existence going and growing.

And it also makes your existence have meaning. And like one of the phrases that came to me, you know, as like a different phrase for a higher self is the core of you or like your truest self or your most evolved self. But the core of you felt like, okay, it's like that spark in me is the same no matter what. And I love that the mandala that

That's a game changer for me in terms of why can't I remember all of these past lives or get the details that I want in that question. got that we see and remember the lives that would have the highest or, you know, the most impact in the moment for whatever it is that we're working through. And

we're only going to be able to access the memories that are needed most in the moment because otherwise the sheer amount of knowledge of all of, you know, the different lives and existences and all of that may actually overwhelm our human brain. And like for me, I've always had this fear of like getting myself so deep into these spiritual concepts and teachings that I would lose my mind.

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legit need to be like mental health issues. And so that's why I kind of dance on the periphery of a lot of different things. Cause I'm afraid to go deep because I'm afraid I'll lose my mind. But this helps me know that like, I'm not going to really receive more than I need to in that moment. Right. Yeah.

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So this wasn't in the session, but what are we doing? Like, where are these memories? Like, am I going somewhere? Is it right here? Is it here? But in that is also the question of, why do people always go to a past life? And it's so rare someone goes to a future life.

Looking back at the lotus flower, there's no past, there's no future. Like it's all in a circle and you can travel from one pedal to the next in the linear fashion, but there's really no past, future. You could go this way, you don't even have to go in a full circle. You could go travel in any possible which way. So it's kind of like the label thing, like 100%.

I get that I believe it's all happening at once, but in this body there is relativity. And so in this body there is a path. Like yesterday's lunch is yesterday's lunch. I do believe it's all happening at once. I don't know why it feels that way here. We're in the relative for something. don't know.

But in my belief system, which is that it's all happening at once, except here in this third dimension, in this individuated Earth suit, it's slowed down or something where I experience it as. So if it is all happening at once, and if it is the past is just my perception today, is it that all of my clients go to a past life?

because I tell them to or they believe they want to, that's the induction. But even a long time ago, I started using other lifetime language in an induction and still no one goes to a future life. So if it's all happening at once, a future life should come in just as easy as a past life. But everyone goes into the past. And I think it's because

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We don't believe we can go to the future. We don't believe it's all happening at once. But I'm just curious on a personal level, like if you've thought of it or what you believe. So everything happening all at once, is akin to consciousness is all. Perception is trying to make sense of all that it is. And so the linear past and future is our way of trying to perceive and make sense of

all that is, all that vastness, in the best way that we can. And the best way that we can changes. But for most of us right now...

Generally in this lifetime here on earth that linear thinking of past versus future is the easiest to grasp when we are first taking those steps of expiration into all that is especially for clients who Maybe this is their first time to really take those steps It's easier to think and conceptualize past than it is future. And so again, it's all about that label to just help us make sense

the context like we're obviously more

Yeah, cons the that concept, but then also the reinforcement through culture, society, collective as well. the a lot of people that come to past life regression have read a lot of books about past life regression. So we're using that language, right? Then if you pan out even further, it's there's a huge focus on history, but not nearly as much of a focus on

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creating a future, right? Like we study history, but we don't have a class growing up about creating the future, right? So it's like, yes, we're trying to make sense. Yes, contextually, but also it's being reinforced over and over and over again. that's just two examples, but surely there's hundreds of more examples we could come up with where.

looking at the past is way more socially acceptable, encouraged than thinking about the future. Yeah, so it would make sense that in our perception and in our belief systems, we would go to the past. With all of the societal influence, I almost feel like that is belief. So then we have the perception of us trying to make sense of it, but the belief is how we are even told to organize that perception. And so that's...

That's the next step of...

I don't think that I have a complete thought. For me, I kept thinking about consciousness being what nudges us to shed labels. it's almost like it's like, I mean, it's all connected, but it's like, are we talking about all the same thing? But it's like consciousness, can it nudge? It's what nudges us to like, you know, that label.

I don't really like that label anymore. Like I used to really identify with that, but it feels too limiting. Like would I have that thought without like my expanse, know, expansion of like tapping into something like a larger collective ideas that are created by other people that inspire me to like change and broaden my perspective. Like I really do listen to myself, but I never want to get to a point where I don't

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give other people's ideas a chance. Like I want to listen to them. What can I learn? I can learn from everyone. Yeah. Like there's something I can learn from everyone. That is our episode for today. Many thank yous to these three friends for allowing me to record this and share their stories and just have them take the time to do this with me. I really, really appreciate it. And thank you listener for being here.

being open to exploring these topics and for sharing this episode with your friends. All of my clients come through the podcast and so many people say, I heard about the podcast from my friend and it just, I love it. I absolutely love it. And I just want to thank you for that. If you want to learn more about my work, go to seersessions.com.