Hey everyone, it's Jina. You're listening to Seer Sessions. In our last episode, episode 211, you had the opportunity to take a hypnotic journey. A hypnotic journey where you could access the wisdom of your soul, your inner guidance, your higher self, and gain understanding about consciousness. Is this something we can change? Does it change? How does consciousness relate to creativity? Understand what blocks you?

when it comes to what you want most in life and more. And in today's episode, I have a discussion with some friends of mine talking about their experience, what they learned when they took that same hypnotic journey. So here we were in my living room. I had three friends over for the solstice and we took a hypnotic journey. They came out of that hypnotic journey and we talked about it.

So during that hypnotic journey, it's just like episode 211 where they are guided to access the wisdom of their higher self and all of these questions that I've been exploring on my own, I wanted them to explore and I wanted to hear what they would get. So we use hypnosis to access that transcendental space and it's from that space that we can access the astral plane, the Akashic records, other lifetimes.

the energy and wisdom of our soul, the part of us that lives life after life and life in between lives. And like I said before, I've had a summer where I have been deeply exploring these things on my own. So when I had friends coming into town and they were open to doing a couple of hypnotic journeys, I knew that this is something that I wanted to cover with them. So listen to their answers, take anything that resonates with you or makes life seem to make a little more sense to you.

And more importantly, go to episode 211, it's linked in the show notes. Take that hypnotic journey yourself and see what wisdom you can gain about your own life today. So that is where this episode begins. We had just completed a hypnotic journey. Everyone was relaxed, sitting on the couch. And this is the conversation that we had. Okay, so the first questions, well, most of the questions had to do with consciousness, but the first one was just that basic one. Like, what can you know about consciousness?

Jina Seer (02:26.08)

And then also, what happens as we grow, heal, change to our consciousness? And I guess that question is almost around this idea of expanding your consciousness, a higher consciousness. And I just want to feel like there's better words to be had, but I can't think of them. So even just that idea of consciousness in general, and then what are we doing? What's happening as we're growing, changing, healing?

anything you got there. The phrase that came out was consciousness is all that is. And then I was shown like a sponge, which is sort of the way that I understand the Akasha. And so that later came up as consciousness is like the Akasha. It decides what lives you will see that will have the greatest impact. But consciousness being like the Akasha and being like all that is, is kind of a

It's kind of a shift for me. Cause I always think of it as something separate. Like I think of it as more of a human energy that we're working through to try to reach the higher realms or other, the other realms. like that it's just a human thing. Like that's the way that my brain has like thought of it up until now that consciousness is just about our brain, being able to, you know, level up and

Like the other thing that it's like the slight push of like a hand on your back, like nudging you forward, like that's consciousness. And it's like a force of our universe. But it's also like the energy where it's a co-creation type of energy.

Tapping into our consciousness helps us access the wisdom and compassion to be able to take the next steps. I also got that it's a gift that allows and teaches about what existence in both the physical and non-physical reality is like for us. It's an energy to learn to work with and for. So, we're all working.

Jina Seer (04:51.286)

and creating consciousness. And so while we can work with it, we also work for it. And it sort of expresses through us.

Jina Seer (05:07.17)

Okay. So that's, that was what is consciousness. mean, I know. Well, I think, yeah, people write books on this stuff, you know, like we can't figure it out. So I'm not looking for the capital A answers, but that I love the idea of you're working with it and for it.

And for it, not in the sense of like you're its bitch, but for it, like what you're doing affects it. Like, yeah. So work for it, like be intentional about it. That's what I got from that. And then anything in there about like, as we're growing and changing yours, sounded like it was like, yes, you work with the to grow and change. And was there anything like

Like what is that? Like what is happening to consciousness? So it's like a co-creator force that like we work with to help create the reality for us and for others and for the universe itself. Okay. It's like a group project. You know, like a, our every solar, every energy. Yes.

Yes, it's like, it's bigger than that. And like, for me to get it's all that is, when I think of all that is, I think of, or at least my brain is trained to think of God or the universe. And like, what if consciousness is just another word for the universe itself?

Jina Seer (06:49.932)

Yes. And the way I was thinking of it was like my consciousness. but the way you're thinking of it makes it feel.

That's interesting. I mean, that's why I'm doing this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is probably right where you need to be when you're talking about consciousness. Like confused. What's highlighted in this conversation with Becky here is a need for nuanced language and a deeper understanding of what we're doing here. So here's what I mean.

This conversation with Becky kind of outlines this idea that when I'm talking about consciousness, I guess I'm talking about it from the sense of like what I'm consciously aware of. But what Becky's highlighting here is that it's not just me though. Like if I were to drop dead right now and you were standing beside me and I go from talking to you to now I'm dead, you will

notice a difference in how I look like in one I'm like animated. I'm alive in the other one I'm not and so I'm wondering like what is absent there like what leaves when we die and I think it's our consciousness just chain changes form. So we go from enveloping this physical body

to being pure consciousness, unlimited potential, unconditional love if we want it. And so that's part of my curiosity. Another part of my curiosity is that right now, as I stand here, I'm 44, I'm gonna be 45 in a couple months. And what is 45? What is age? What is time? Like, I don't know.

Jina Seer (08:54.983)

The older I get, the more confused by it all I am. And the older I get, the more I can see in my history of evolution, of being a child, of being a teenager, of being a young adult, an adult, a waking up adult, you know. I just, can look back and see that I was unconscious to so much. And part of the reason I was unconscious to it is because

At least from where I stand now, it looks like I was unconscious to it because I believed that I knew more than I actually did. It's like my just this my belief that I was aware that I was growing and evolving. Like, yes, sure, Jina, you were. And maybe you were really in comparison to some a lot of the people you were around. But like

to think that I just think I knew so little and that belief that I knew more than I actually did blocked me from being made aware of blind spots or things that I was not aware of. And as my consciousness continues to expand, my awareness becomes more.

I just see like how much I was unaware of, unaware of how influenced I was, unaware of how my beliefs blocked me, unaware of how I thought my beliefs were the capital T truth and that blocked a lot of new understanding and learning, new perspectives, new changes in life. And I think you can hear too in Becky's voice and me as I ramble here that these experiences in this transcendental state

They're ineffable. Like, it's so much of a feeling and a knowing all at once when you're in that space that to come down and kind of bring it through the human filter into the most analog words with no feelings, possibly not a lot of knowing behind it as that's translated when people hear these words that were cooking down from this.

Jina Seer (11:18.81)

expansive experience. It's really hard to do that. But I do believe we can do it and we can do more of it and we can get even better at it. And that's my personal experience. And the more expansive my awareness gets, just the better my life gets, the better my life feels, really. It's not about smoothing out all the bumps or making it perfect, like life will life.

It's just what is our mentality about it? What is our perception of it? What are our beliefs around it? What are our thoughts around it? And how is that affecting our life experience? And I think it's so important to me because one of the things that I can see really blocked me, something I was completely unconscious of before, is how much life is a co-creation and how often so many of us want something

set the goal for something, ask for something. And there's a lot more waiting than acting. It's like we're waiting for a signal. We're waiting for someone to say yes. We're waiting for this opportunity to show up. And in a lot of that waiting, there can be a ton of action and creation and making shit happen on our end. And so I think to me, when I look back at my life,

thinking I was consciously aware, but now seeing I've expanded my awareness so much that I don't think I was. And I think that blocked me. Just this idea thinking I was aware was blocking me from seeing how much I was not aware of and how much that limited me in my action, in my drive, in my dreaming, in my life experience, like what I thought was possible for me.

was very limited because of that. So it's kind of a convoluted, messy soup. But the more I rail up against this and try to wrap my mind around it, the more I can understand and really embrace a wisdom that's peaceful and calming in all areas of my life. And you know.

Jina Seer (13:38.63)

If I'm meddling around in my own mind, it just automatically makes me curious about what everyone else is thinking. Okay, so here's what Erica had to say. I also have written down consciousness is all that is. I even kind of crossed out what I started writing and then all that is. But I have a lot of scattered metaphors all over the place, a lot of water metaphors.

But it started with consciousness is light and then I was shown the symphony of light life. This lifetime that Erica refers to as the symphony of light. I actually shared that session on the podcast. So if you go to episode 180 and that is a recording of the session of the lifetime that Erica is talking about when she says symphony of light life.

But it started with consciousness is light and then I was shown the symphony of light life and the dancing colors was dancing consciousness but not light in the sense of what you are used to seeing light as vibration. It transforms, it transmutes, it's ever-changing. Like the ocean, it always is and yet it's always in a constant state of change. You find the most opposition when you try to resist change. It's like

Trying to force the ocean to be still. You'll be drowned. Consciousness always is and always is changing. But on the other side of it, embracing the shift, inviting it in with playful curiosity will carry you into a flow state of creativity that will lead you to divinity. This idea of creativity being linked

to divinity, ecstasy, pure potential, unconditional love. This idea that creativity is an energy to be harnessed, flowed with, brought into our lives, into our bodies, into our minds, and that that energy is connected to the divine, to source, to our potential.

Jina Seer (16:04.184)

to our purpose, that's a theme that keeps coming up over and over. My higher self, my experiences in the astral planes continue to reinforce that idea. Client conversations like this continue to reinforce that idea. And I know too that this idea of a lot of people feeling like they don't have a lot of purpose in life, it really is this disconnection from that creativity.

And it's when we're in that creative flow that we oftentimes feel, this is the purpose that we're looking for. I don't have any answers. I just know that connecting those dots happens all the time for me in my experiences, in my clients' experiences. And I think that it is definitely a stone on this path that will continue to grow in my understanding of it.

and my ability to harness it and to help clients understand it, harness it, flow with it in their own life. So similar where it's like, this is not yours. I mean, it is, but it's, again, I was almost thinking when I hear you two say that, it's like, I've been thinking of it almost like a, am I conscious of?

So then that's like, what is consciousness? The eternal question. Why were you? I was also thinking of consciousness akin to my higher self. So it is kind of like my consciousness that I draw from in each lifetime. But again, like the ocean, there are many oceans. They all flow into each other. That's kind of like all of our individual consciousness. We're all individual and.

the same, constantly flowing in and out of each other, but we still, there's something that still always remains true to our deepest selves. individual. Yeah, it's like the idea of we are all one.

Jina Seer (18:16.715)

It's like that feels really true to me, but then when I think of like, we're all very different, you know? And to me, it's almost like the bridge is the consciousness. That's what actually makes it all one. But then we're individuated off of that. I'm just thinking out loud. not the... That might not even be my truth at this point, I don't know.

big shocker that I got. Consciousness is.

So consciousness is.

We can choose to study it, track it, qualify it, quantify it, and it is. No matter what the results or what we write down or what we think, it just still is. And so I think hearing you kind of come up against Jina, like how you were thinking of consciousness versus these answers.

I kept coming back to what you're describing as consciousness is what I was getting as that is perception and perspective. So consciousness is the sun. Perception is where we are standing on earth. So individually, we're all standing somewhere else and the sun is still where it is. This idea of perception. That's what it is, like awareness, perception, like what am I aware of?

Jina Seer (19:54.915)

How expansive is what I'm conscious of? What do I have the strength to even think about or endure inside of my brain? And I think that if we could all take a moment to think this expansively, yet this nuanced, it's so beneficial for us to know where I'm at, where I'm standing on earth, where I come from in this life, that makes me see life differently than you.

And there might be overlap there. And I would imagine the more that overlaps between us, the better we'll get along, the more we'll enjoy each other's company. And if we could know that truth is that malleable and that simple, we could use that knowing to shift perceptions in our life to shift the way our life feels or the direction we're headed in our life.

And it would also open us up to more compassion for other people. Because if you say you're hurting in a certain way, and I don't understand that, currently it seems this culture, we ignore that, or we say you're wrong, and instead saying, well, we're both probably right on some level, at least personally right for myself or yourself.

But if I can know that you truly do have somewhat of a different experience because of where you're at on earth, where you're at in your life, where you come from, where you're going, instead of being judgmental or harsh, can instead, I can start with curiosity backed by compassion. And so for me to know this, like my perception doesn't necessarily mean that is the only truth.

that is the only reality available to me can be incredibly freeing. It's so freeing to me because life often overwhelms me, overwhelms me with certain emotions, certain negative experiences, negative thoughts. So if I can know that I can change those thoughts, those thoughts might be true, but I don't have to torture myself with them now, that shift in perspective will change my day.

Jina Seer (22:18.401)

And if I do that every day, it'll change my life. And so then my wisest self was teaching me about

Like how we can lean on tools and how we can lean on the cycles in nature. So then if I'm going to follow this sun metaphor, this kind of answers the question of what are we doing when we're healing, growing, evolving? We're not changing consciousness. Consciousness is. We're adding tools to our tool belt and we're learning skills to work with nature and cycles to be able to co-create.

So the sun just is, right? But there are natural cycles we can lean on with the sun. We can lean on the sunrise and the sunset. We can lean on the fact that, you know, the Western Hemisphere is a bit different from the Eastern Hemisphere. We can lean on the fact that clouds may roll in and shift the sun a little bit. And as humans, we have co-created tools that we can use with the sun. So we can use sunscreen, right?

We can sit under umbrellas. can use tools to also change our perception of the sun. So the sun is unsafe without sunscreen. But if we have sunscreen, now it's safe for us to be in that direct line. Right? And so that's what we're doing when we, when what our perspective, our, you know, language, our shared language in this particular space, right? Healing, evolving, growing, all we're doing is finding new

perspectives and perceptions to be able to navigate consciousness. But consciousness still just is.

Jina Seer (24:06.135)

And so with consciousness, the stronger we get in our repertoire, our tool belt, the more effectively we can go, this is my intention.

Consciousness has illuminated the next step. So now through creativity we get from intention to the next step.

Jina Seer (24:36.281)

And I got more on that later, but. Oh, the perception thing. Yes. OK. So the way I was perceiving perception before was almost like consciousness is everything I'm aware of. But that would be not consciousness. That's perception. I like that better. Where I was coming from or my previous thought,

was I'm aware of all these things, but there's things in my body, things in my history, things in my mind that prevent me from actually absorbing every piece of stimuli. And that is like where I focus. That's like the glasses I put on. That's my perception. That's where I'm looking. And so I can, you know, if everything has good and bad in it, what are you focusing on? And then what's that? What's the result of that in your life?

but I like that idea. Okay, so let's follow that thread, that part of perception. I think that was the next two more questions. Okay, so we'll come back to that. next, let's talk about that, yeah, consciousness and creativity. So actually, do you wanna start just cause that's where we left off? So just whatever you- was, we say the question and answer? Okay, so the way I posed this question first was think about something you want.

or want to be or whatever. And then what can you know about consciousness to get you there? What can you know about consciousness to create that? What can you know about consciousness and creating?

Jina Seer (26:22.007)

And then I also asked a similar question, like a few questions later, but it had to do with cringe. So if they're all the same, we can take it. otherwise, it might be broken up. So consciousness and creativity.

I have this little diagram that looks like something from a kindergartner. what consciousness is, our body is, perception happens in the mind. If we stop there, that's where the block is. Creativity happens when we can bring consciousness into the body.

So we get stuck in our perception. We're aware of consciousness and we get stuck wondering what it means and labeling it, trying to figure out the tool. We might see the step in our mind, but we're not gonna get to creativity until we have the tool in our tool belt to bring back in body consciousness.

So then in bringing consciousness through the funnel of perception and into the body, that's when we are able to create.

Jina Seer (27:47.435)

Yeah, so then if we're feeling creatively blocked, perhaps we're wrestling with a belief that is an alignment, a thought that is an alignment, and we're missing the opportunity to just let the sun illuminate the body and move from there.

Jina Seer (28:11.36)

Ish.

Jina Seer (28:16.771)

Okay, I barely got it. I think I have a follow-up question. A diagram looks like I should be able to just do that. Like laying on my yoga mat. But, okay, so this idea of body consciousness, bringing consciousness into the body.

So I want to know more about kind of like any other information, whether it's like a tangible example, whether it's real life or not. But then it makes me think of, I almost think of the body sometimes as this tool to make consciousness more real in the sense of like, according to my 3D brain, this pen feels more real than someone's idea about something.

So it's almost like we get the idea and we, you use body consciousness, which I wanna know more about that. But to me, it seems similar into what I was thinking, but I wouldn't use that word of like the idea comes in. But if I don't act with my body, typing, talking, planning, doing, then that's the block.

But oftentimes we think something else is blocking us, but it is a thought, it is a perception, it is a belief that blocks us. So that's what I was thinking and I'm wondering how is what came through for you and your understanding of body consciousness in that space. Yeah, say more about anything you might get about body consciousness.

Jina Seer (30:12.266)

So the first thing I got about creativity of body consciousness is that this is innate.

Jina Seer (30:24.012)

Like, so consciousness is, and I also got a clear message that the body is. So there's nothing.

It's like being able to create is innate. That cycle is innate, right? But we have an imbalance collectively where we are reinforcing the perspective.

Jina Seer (30:54.828)

and the illusion.

that there's more we have to do and we're labeling things in a very unhealthy way.

And so I think an example of another way we get blocked outside of just stopping in the mind and the perception and the thoughts is the reason why we might stay blocked and not want to return to body consciousness is the example I got is like embarrassment and shame.

And I think this came, it came up with cringe and I know we're not quite there. But it's this, this feeling of what if I do the thing, create the thing, say the thing, and then I feel embarrassed or shame. And because we've perceived embarrassment and shame and label it and had the thought that those are bad feelings, we stop there. So then,

I guess the advice or the guidance that I got is, okay, so I've acknowledged that, I'm aware of that, it's illuminated through consciousness that I'm resisting embarrassment and shame. So now here are my options. My tools are one, to pick tools that build what I want to be feeling instead. So if you're thinking embarrassment and shame is ungraceful,

Jina Seer (32:28.098)

or incapable or weak, it's like, okay, then I could have tools in my tool belt that make me feel strong and graceful and capable. Or I can work with my consciousness and my perspective to stop assigning judgment to embarrassment and shame.

Jina Seer (32:50.39)

So it's like, think where I'm left is with that wrestling of why collectively are we here? Like why collectively have we created an environment where we're labeling so much?

Jina Seer (33:16.212)

and we're stuck in perception. And we want to believe that there's a good or bad to consciousness, or a right or wrong to consciousness.

Jina Seer (33:30.814)

Is that where you're at with just the question?

Jina Seer (33:53.634)

I'll badger someone else for a second. We were all pretty fried by this time. If you can think of putting your awareness, your consciousness into the astral plane, having these transcendental experiences, and then coming into this space and rehashing these really heady topics, really nebulous topics, she was done.

And you know what? I get it. Even though I could go all day and all night. I get it. I get it. I'm very thankful for my energy and my persistence, especially my awareness of them. So I don't let them run me into the ground. Okay. Something I want to say here before we move on from Sarah is this idea of body consciousness and the way she described it just really started to open my mind.

up to consciousness and the body in a new way. And I had already been thinking, one of the clients I was working with this spring, one of the things that kept coming up for her when she was working with her higher self was this idea of bringing her body into her spiritual practice. And this idea of bringing your body into your spiritual practice is a theme that has since resonated out to other clients, to myself.

and what that means and what that can mean for our experience in our body. And I'm not talking about your body looking a certain way. I'm talking about how you feel in your body, feeling alive, feeling light, feeling strong, feeling agile, feeling happy to be alive. There's so many different ways we want to feel, but using our bodies and our experience in our body

It's almost like spirit, the collective is really urging us to use that as a way to learn and to evolve even more. And what does that mean? What does that mean to bring your body into your spiritual practice? I'm gonna have more on that, but for right now, I just want you to think about that. Just let me plant that little seed and what that might mean to all of us in a few months, in a few years, I don't know.

Jina Seer (36:17.004)

but it's definitely a part of the next phase. Okay, creativity, consciousness. I'm processing everything. I have stuff to add to her chaos. I'm gonna add to that. I got consciousness is the hammer or tool and perception is the nail or how consciousness creates perception. And then they were like, they showed me a car.

And they said, consciousness is the car, all that is. Plus, like plus sign, beliefs. Beliefs are the fuel, the energy, you know, to keep all that is going. And then the result is perceptions. But they were like, car plus fuel gets you to your destination. So consciousness plus beliefs gets you to your perception.

Jina Seer (37:18.978)

So the car is consciousness. Your beliefs systems, your beliefs are the fuel that you're putting into your consciousness to then take yourself to a destination which you will arrive at new perceptions.

Like if we're choosing to believe certain things, it will take us to that perception.

Jina Seer (37:51.336)

So would you say, just based on everything you know to be true up until this moment, would you say that your awareness is different than consciousness? Is your awareness

Jina Seer (38:15.714)

trying to say. It's almost like that's where we interact as a human in this type of separate, individuated world. Is that it? Right? Because you said my consciousness. Me, I think of like, what is if consciousness is outside of me in an energy I'm working with and in, what part of me

is taking information from that and filtering it through my beliefs and my history and where I want to go and what I think it means, you know what I'm saying? So I wonder if my word for that would be like awareness, where before I'm workshopping my own ideas in real time, I guess, where before I was thinking it was all the same, like my consciousness, where now I'm thinking.

I think I like that better. That feels true of like consciousness is what I'm like essentially flowing in. And my awareness is like where I meet it. And then my beliefs then figure out my perception and through all of that depends on decisions I make, where I go, what I do, and that creates my life. Is that kind of what you're saying? And then the fuel in the car, that's how you get, okay. Okay.

One of the things I got was about consciousness being a guide.

Jina Seer (39:47.67)

you're working with it and it's guiding you.

Yeah. Here, Becky starts talking about how part of her interpretation of what she experienced in trance when learning about consciousness was that consciousness could even, in a sense, guide us. And it's kind of funny because as I'm editing this, it's actually like really quiet. And so I can't hardly even hear what she's saying.

But what I do here, I'm like, this idea of consciousness guiding us? God, this gives me like 10,000 more questions. I was holding the little microphone and I think I was having that same thought when she was saying it because I eventually realized that I was indeed holding the microphone but the microphone was basically like mic down on the couch. shit, okay. Where was this?

Okay.

I have consciousness is all that is. Perception is trying to make sense of all that is. And belief is how we try to organize our perception. But sometimes we get so focused on our style of organization and how we're doing it and what box things need to go in that we're not even paying attention to what's going in the box.

Jina Seer (41:22.878)

and what we are actually trying to make sense of anymore. We're focused so much on the action and not the reason in the first place or what we're trying to make sense of or grasp. And that's where a lot of other blocks come in is that we lose focus of why we started organizing in the first place. That is our episode for today. In the next episode, you're going to hear the other half of this conversation. And some of that conversation includes the idea of cringe.

blocks to what we want most in life. We also get into this, the hierarchical language that comes up in these spaces. More evolved, higher consciousness. It's something I've been thinking about a lot, just having all of this experience with and understanding around my higher self really develop and bloom in my life. Just don't think that the universe itself is hierarchical.

Like yes, as a human, can decide this is better than this. This is better than this from my opinion for everyone or for me or for me based on where I'm going today. But overall, I don't think that's really how it is. Like I don't think the universe wants me to be good or gives a shit if I'm not good. So anyway, I've been thinking about that a lot.

and then it organically came up in this conversation too. I haven't really talked to many people about it. So you'll hear that as well. And that is all coming in the next episode. All right, everybody, thanks so much for listening. If you wanna learn more about my work, go to seersessions.com.