Hey everyone, it's Jina. You're listening to Seer Sessions. I have been exploring the energy of my eternal soul and the wisdom that resides in it. I've asked all kinds of questions about consciousness, creativity, collective consciousness, cringe, all kinds of things. For the summer solstice, I had three friends in town.

And because I've been steeped in these journeys, I wanted to take them on a similar journey, something similar that I had done just to see what they would get. What you're gonna hear in this episode is similar to episode 208, the previous episode, where you're listening to a discussion that I had with these three friends. And in this episode, I'm focusing on one friend in particular.

And you're going to just hear us talk about her experience in the hypnotic journey. And the hypnotic journey that I'm referencing is the hypnotic journey that I had just taken that small group on in my living room while they were at my house for the solstice. If you want to take that hypnotic journey, you can find that recording in episode 199. In that, your awareness will be transported to another lifetime. A lifetime where you were embodying the most of your soul's wisdom.

It's a great hypnotic journey to get wisdom from your higher self, but in a lifetime, a lifetime that's similar to yours, a lifetime that you can extract even more metaphor from, a lifetime that experiencing those memories could activate new ways of being or perspectives.

So that was the hypnotic journey that my friends had gone on. In this episode, I have my friend Sarah. Sarah and I met online. When I was a hypnotist just starting out, I would often do these introductory calls. Like if you wanted to do a session with me, I would just do a 15 minute call just to make sure we were the right fit, that you knew what this was. And Sarah's been around that long. I remember the phone call that we had. I remember what we discussed.

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over the years, more experience together. We worked a lot together. We created a hypnosis training together. So Sarah and I go way back. We've been building this relationship for a while. And I was so excited to not only have her at my place for the solstice, but to have her awareness, her soul in the room, just to see what we could get. Now, Sarah's the only other person I know besides me who has done hypnosis so much. She has experienced

so many other lifetimes, so many times with her spirit guides, her higher self, the shadow realms. Her experience that she had during this was very unique and includes an experience with the dragon and then memories from two or more other lifetimes. Okay, let's get into this discussion. Of course, my subconscious was like, this won't be simple, this won't be linear, and this won't make any sense, and also...

Just don't listen to Jina’s problems. Just do this thing over here.

So I feel like contextually I want to share a couple things first. Over the past however many years I've been doing hypnosis, the way that I relate to my spirit guides and my higher self has shifted and evolved multiple times. Where there used to be this spatial feeling and understanding and each spirit guide would come through as an animal.

And then something happened years into it where all these animals like shape shifted into one singular three-headed dragon. And then today something else shifted in this. So the very first thing I remember is being this woman standing on a cliff just like longing for the ocean. And when you prompted the forest there was something in her, in me that was like, man.

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go to the forest, I'm enjoying this cliff, I'm enjoying the ocean, and I turned around, and when I turned around, I realized that the three-headed dragon was there. And usually when I feel that energy, it's spatially above my head and circling, or underneath me as if I'm almost like able to ride the air with the dragon. Whereas from this perspective that I was getting today, was like the cliff was now behind me.

The forest was in front of me and now all of sudden I feel this three-headed dragon like behind me like it's got my back.

So we go into the forest and even before we started the journey, I was like, I think I know which lifetime is my most embodied, know, highest self. It has to be that the story of like the hermit in the forest and kind of becoming the land at the end of the life. was like, it's gotta be that. And so we go through the tree, we go.

we move into a kitchen space. And I do kind of feel that hermit life, like coming to the surface. And in those scenes, I remember like taking really rough wood and knowing how to use my hands to like smooth it into cups and bowls and like tools that I could use in the kitchen space.

But even though I was getting that, there was this like triangulation that was happening that was really disorienting and confusing and honestly frustrating. was like I was bouncing between this hermit life, this woman who was on the cliff, who is she, and then me as Sarah kind of questioning it all. So there was this triangulation and this like bopping around and trying to figure out where am I, what am I doing? So I'm like, I'm just gonna sit here for a minute and ground again and sink in.

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And then when I sunk into my body a little bit more, I was like, shit, I'm the embodied, I am the three headed dragon. It's like, I'm not seeing any of these lives. I'm actually meant to see what it feels like to be this three headed dragon. This feeling of just a lot of information coming in.

is really common in a session, especially can be even more common with someone who has lot of experience doing these journeys, these adventures, exploring in this way. One of the reasons for it, I think, is that just the more we inhabit this altered state of consciousness, the more we engage with the subtle, subtle details, ideas, knowings that are floating on the ethers.

the more information we come across, the more information that's available to us. So it's not bad, it's just an indicator that there's a lot of information coming in. And this is why it's really good to work with someone. As we become more intuitive, more understanding of the subtleties around us, we can do a lot of this exploration on our own, but sometimes we encounter a topic.

or have an experience that is just very loaded, kind of hard to decipher, like what was going on or what was the point. And it's in those times that it's really good to just be able to completely relax as the client and have a hypnotist guide you with your intentions in mind, your beliefs in mind. So if you're ever in a group hypnotic experience and you start to have kind of a lot of information to come in or the experience is changing, like

looking at a dragon, now I am the dragon. Just know that even being in that space, even if it is confusing, just be aware of everything that's around you, aware of everything that's coming into your knowing. And oftentimes a journaling session afterward, even just talking it out with someone afterward, can help you connect the dots, extract metaphor that helps you in your life today, or can help you connect dots between what was the intention for the session, what did you experience.

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and how can that help you move forward in that space? So now I'm like, I'll just allowing that. What does this feel like in my body? I wouldn't say that I saw like scenes or a timeline per se. It was more just like getting into that body and being like, what does this feel like? I did see a death scene, which I'll talk about. The things that stand out.

are like the integrations of how well this being could move through all four elements, like how grounded and earthy it felt. But then if I leapt off the cliff, how easily I could spread my wings and ride the air. If I was ready to dive into the ocean, how easily I could just like nose dive and swim and how beautiful that would feel. And then...

how easily if there was something I need to express or transform within me, I could allow fire to come up and out. And I felt some movement energetically in my throat during that, which felt nice. And there was, with that fire, like a theme of righteous anger that I'll speak to. But the integration of how fluidly I could move through all four elements was really lovely. Oftentimes when I'm working with my higher self as a light,

or trying to conceptualize it as a light, I see it as one of those sparklers that you get from a fireworks stand. Time and time and time again, I get the imagery of a sparkler. And so that was definitely present throughout in multiple parts of the journey. When I was embodied into this three-headed dragon, there was just this sense of like,

Density, but not in a bad way like solidity into the center of that being Like very stable very protective and protected But then I was also struck by the gentleness and the desire for touch as well like I was seeing me as Sarah like scratching the tops of my Cat's heads and how their eyes go like shut and they like squish their little faces

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And it was like, as this dragon, I was feeling all of these other lifetimes and versions of me coming up to myself as this dragon and like scratching that part of my head. So it's like this like, righteously angry, badass, protected, protective, stable energy, but also this like, it was so gentle and so sweet and so soft and all that kind of, there was a nice warm, cozy, like sinking in.

What Sarah's describing here is a really potent time in a hypnotic journey. In a hypnotic journey, we're not only quieting our mind and our body so we can understand these subtle rhythms and messages and information around us, but we're also in this deeply relaxed state that allows our subconscious mind to open up and even be reprogrammed. So in this case, if Sarah was my client, we were doing a one-on-one session, I would have her

really focus on that feeling of safety, of security, this grounded feeling. I can see how the ability to remember that and just be in that feeling during the session, but also after the session. Memories evoke emotion and whether those memories are from earlier today, your last lifetime, or who knows, a lifetime as a dragon. When we look back on that memory, when we have a conscious knowing,

and a visceral feeling of that memory, we can access it again and practice those emotions and shift the emotions that we have. So if you're ever in a group hypnotic journey and you're feeling really good emotions, like love, appreciation, potential, just the warm fuzzies, my recommendation is to really pay attention to it, almost like if you can turn it up, like you were turning up the volume.

Turn it up. Turn it up in your mind. Turn it up in your body. And that can be so good for rewiring. These are emotional experiences that offer almost like this antidote to maybe the rut we've been stuck in. Oftentimes in our life what we're struggling with, especially when we're a sensitive person with a lot of inner turmoil, we're on some sort of healing journey or spiritual journey, or maybe we're just trying to consciously evolve and it's not spiritual at all.

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I recommend you practice the emotions you want more of in your life. And having an experience while in that hypnotic trance can make it even more potent and powerful. So again, I wasn't necessarily getting a timeline or life scenes, but I did want to go through the death there. so I just kind of, I think I popped back into your kind of cueing us through spaces at the death scene.

And I felt myself like curl up into a spiral with like my head in the center of the spiral. And I just laid down and felt like all of my energy moved to the center of that spiral and then down. And then it was almost like through that death and allowing that energy to go down.

I could then feel it coming down and back up to all those versions of me, me as Sarah, me as this hermit. So then what started happening was I could feel on my deathbed the hand of each version of myself on this spiral dragon. And then what came to mind is this Buddhist story about how the Buddhist story that Sarah's talking about is a parable of six blind men and an elephant and that

If each one of those blind men put their hands on the elephant, each one would describe the elephant very differently because it's so big. And it's my understanding that kind of the highlight, the takeaway from this story is that while it is your experience, it is not the whole story, which is expanding awareness, knowing that your experience is not the whole story.

And I was reminded of that story of like all these versions of me are interacting with that me, but only through that hand, that one touch. And so it's like, I got to experience the wholeness and the fullness and the integration in this experience. Whereas through separate lifetimes or me and Sarah, maybe I'm only able to experience like the perspective of where my hand was.

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I had questions. The main question came back to that triangulation and that competitive feeling of like the hermit, the woman on the cliff and me. I'm like that triangulation I've been feeling in my life as Sarah just within my own psyche of like, I want to be peaceful, but my brain is running on a thousand and I'm feeling emotions. How can I process those? And that scattered energy and that competition for where to be.

My question was, as this higher self embodied, if this is truly my most embodied space, how is it that these three heads work so well together? How is it that all of these three heads don't have different ideas of what to do and where to go and what to focus on and how to be? And I waited for an answer and the answer was, are your fingers in competition? Like does your ring finger compete with your thumb when you know you want to pick up the glass?

Or do you just know you want to pick up the glass? You tell your hand to do that and it does that together. So this idea of going through life, having parts of ourselves that you're on one path, but there's a part of yourself that's doubting. Should you be on another path? Should you have made a different decision? Should you be doing something else? And that inner turmoil leads to just this inner friction and stress and a feeling of

uneasiness and if we go about that long enough it begins to erode the trust we have in ourself in our ability to make decisions it can be exhausting honestly and so to have this experience where her higher self explains like all the parts of her just doing what they need to do when she's focused on what needs to be done so just like when we're focused on picking up that cup and moving it over there

we're not focused on which finger's gonna get it and which one's gonna be placed where and is that a better spot. We're literally just focusing on what we wanna do and we're doing the thing. And in this, I see in myself, like the metaphor I'm taking from that is to not so much focus on what's going wrong, what's uncomfortable, what's causing internal frustration, and instead first focus on where am I going? What is the thing I wanna do?

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and then just do it. And then when I hit blocks, hiccups, when things don't go as planned, then I dive in and do it. And so for Sarah to get that message of, think of it like a hand, the fingers are not competing. For me, I can extract metaphor for that, but I know what it's like to get such a simple answer while you're in that trance space. And it can feel life-changing. It can completely shift your perspective.

And in this case, if I were assuming it would be a situation where if we're feeling pulled in a million different directions, we're always doubting ourself, if we get this kind of realignment, an insight, a point of view from a part of us that already knows, we're just connecting that dot consciously. So now as we move through this life, it has already changed us. I mentioned, I saw the archetype of a dragon being this like,

Treasure protector in story and it felt like a lot of the righteous anger that I was moving through that being was like a refusal To be used in that way It was almost like this feeling Because I wasn't following a timeline. I'm not sure but there was this feeling of like almost some external force trying to Force me to be that

but I chose otherwise and there was some righteous anger that I was moving. If we continually stuff, swallow emotions, bypass emotions, pretend like they're not there, they can begin to bring us down. Whether it's a feeling of stuckness, a feeling of constant resentment, sometimes it manifests as depression or anxiety. When we're in a hypnosis session, when we're in life in general, it's good to feel your emotions.

But in a hypnosis session, even if it's an uncomfortable emotion, it's really important as the hypnotist to let the client lead. We never wanna get the client emotionally into a situation that's gonna create more problems in the future. And so we're always checking in with the client. How does this feel? Does this feel okay? Are you good to continue to move forward? Do you wanna do something else? We guide the client, but we're always letting the client lead.

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And in a space that's really emotionally charged, especially with a more what we would call negative emotion, it's even more important to let the client lead. So in a group situation, I didn't know Sarah was having that experience. She's experienced in this realm as a hypnotist, so she knows what to do. But really, if you're someone who's just done a few hypnotic journeys, or if it's your first time, just allow the emotion to come up.

Feel it, observe anything that comes to mind with that emotion. You can use that understanding for your learning, for changes going forward, but just know that once that emotion comes up, you feel it, you express it, it is out of your body, out of your energetic field, no longer influencing you or weighing you down, if it was once before. And then I came back to the sparklers at the very end when it, I think that very last question was like, okay.

How can I apply this now? And so stay in the center of that sparkler and let the sparks fly off where they're meant to fly off and go where they're meant to go and burn out. Like, don't worry so much about the little spark that feels like it's burning out over here. Stay in the center where the source of the light is coming from. And then I go like something fearful and Mia, Sarah was like, well, the sparkler is still going to go out.

Like eventually, even if I don't chase the sparks, that center of the sparkler eventually reaches the end. And then again, I was circled back to like that dragon, right? In the death scene, like yes and then there's this rebirth and this opportunity for like, like I just got the opportunity in my life as Sarah to embody that three headed dragon. And what a gift. And perhaps in that life as a hermit, I was sitting by the river one day and through the death of the three headed dragon, metaphorically,

Maybe in that life as the hermit, I actually met a three-headed dragon. I don't know, but in all of these ways through the death, there is a rebirth and a resurgent, and every version of me that had a hand on the dragon gets a turn or a chance. So there is a letting go and a surrender and a death, and eventually that light does leave one form, but then I get to experience it in all these other forms.

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How Sarah describes this, it reminds me of this theme that I have in my own life. Many clients wrestle with, it might look differently, but the foundation is the same. And it's this idea of energy management. Like what is influencing your energy? What is killing your energy? What is causing a slow leak? What energizes you, nourishes you, fills you back up?

The more we can understand these things, the more we can create a daily life that we're like pumped to get out of bed for. A daily life that we hopefully just can't even believe how good of a life we've created.

The three-headed dragon, and maybe you said this, but I didn't pick it up, but that and the triangulation, like the idea of your fingers are competing. To you, do you see, is that a perspective shift where you're like, yeah, I see things differently? Or were there follow-up questions that you had about that? I think the perspective it gives me is that intention

plus action. So if I don't tell my body what we're doing and I just let myself sit there in that triangulation, there isn't a decision being made.

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I think that's where that like trapped feeling and that bouncing happens where it's like, let's all get on board. This is what we're doing. And now the next decision is what's the first step. And in this moment, it's occurring to me. Like I'm being brought back to that. I kept being shown like the roughness of the wood that that hermit man would find and then how smooth he would be able to

make it. And so in this moment, hearing you asking that question, that's coming back up of like that triangulation perhaps is the roughness. And if I can feel that texture, if I notice that texture, then I think I now have a sensation I can tap back into of like, okay, how do we smooth this out? What's the, if the intention is to smooth it out now, how do we take that action? And sometimes when we're having a moment,

in our life and we're feeling pulled in a million different directions, we're not trusting ourselves, we don't know which way to go or what decision to make or how to say something. Accessing a grounded, solid feeling can bring us clarity and peace. And in that we can pick something, we can make a decision, we can choose something, and then we can take action. I see this so clearly in my own life, this idea of

Well, if it's meant to be, it'll happen. And yes, and there's so many places where I didn't take action where I could have, where I had way more ownership than I ever thought. To get out of these feelings of feeling stuck or confused or unclear, what can help is bringing in the opposite energy, making a decision, getting clear on even the smallest thing, getting one.

area of your life up and moving. And that's actually how we integrate. We go on all these journeys, these healing journeys that we do. The other half of that equation is actually making the choice, choosing our thoughts, making decisions that result in action, us moving forward, us taking leaps of faith. Time and time again for me that works. Like if I'm feeling stuck or unclear,

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getting things moving, getting things clear, even in one area of my life that's unrelated shifts the energy eventually. And I'm also being reminded of like, again, that like complexity of like this.

wild, very protective being also able to be so like soft and gentle. So it's like there's a time for the righteous anger and then there's a time to kind of like...

settle into that softness and that gentleness and allow in touch as well. What Sarah says here illustrates a really good point about evolution and the expansion of awareness and consciousness. So here's what I mean. Sarah is talking about experiencing this righteous anger as this dragon. And I know that Sarah is an activist. She's a very aware person. So she experiences a lot of righteous anger. A lot of us do. There's a lot to be angry about.

But through this dragon, she could feel that familiar righteous anger. She was also feeling this softness and even being open to craving touch. And those are two different ends of the spectrum. And to me, that is an expansion in awareness that helps us in the future. And here's how. When I used to be in a state of being triggered a lot, and let's just say it was righteous anger, and I would be feeling that anger.

and I would be thinking about it, and I would be thinking about all the ways that I was justified in my response, and I would talk about it, and I would commiserate with my people about it, and I would carry it with me, and as I'm doing these things, I'm just getting more and more worked up. It's not alleviating pressure, it's not a venting session, I would just churn it, and I would get more and more turned up. And I would never think,

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I don't like feeling this way. Let me change it. Or can I change it? Or it's even a possibility to change it. With that expansion, with that knowing now as Jina, if I'm in a space where I feel righteous anger, I'm like, hold up, I don't wanna feel this way. I don't care if it is righteous. There's so much to be angry about and they will not get my mental wellness ever again. They won't. I will not.

perform anger, I will not. I am here to be peaceful and loving and take action. So I can get angry, but I don't have to carry it with me all day. I don't have to poison other people's moments with it all day. So for me now, if I'm feeling righteous anger, right, I'm questioning it. And I'm thinking, is there another story here? What's the other person's point of view? And then I can also know

The equal and opposite is possible for me right now. If I don't wanna feel righteous anger, what do I wanna feel? And then I choose to think about those things. So if I wanna feel not angry, but I wanna feel accomplished, like I did something, I'm gonna think, what am I angry about? Can I take action in that direction and then let the anger go as I take action? That would be one example. So it's this ability, we're not becoming emotionless drones.

with no problems, we're becoming people who can be in the problem, see the problem, see different ways through the problem, and see not only different ways, but like, is the highest and best for me and everyone else? It's so subtle that it's easy to throw it out, easy to miss, and then that way people aren't expanding. They're just exploring to explore, which is fine, I guess, but for me personally, I'm like,

Why wouldn't I want to feel better while doing these explorations? And that's the expansion that we're talking about. It's like literally being revved up by emotions and still being completely aware and clear about the other options available to us. Did you have any connection to dragons prior to this? Or was it a total, I mean, I know you have like the spirit guide, but in terms of.

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life as a dragon. You know, like to me that seems it seems very different. Was that something where you're like, yeah, I've felt this life before or was it a complete surprise being like, wait, I thought this was a spirit guide. I don't think I'm surprised by anything in these hypnotic states at this point, truly. I just kind of. Here we are. It's a rodeo. I wasn't surprised before.

Before watching those three spirit guys shape shift into this dragon, I would not say I had an affinity for dragons. They were cool before. Now very much so, I'm drawn to them and their energy and the archetype and the symbology. Yeah, I remember at the beginning of working with that energy, I wanted to...

I'm being kind of brought back to many journeys where I wanted to like put reins on the dragon or like have somewhere to hold on or like, do I get a saddle with this thing or do I just have to just hold on for dear life? And there was a lot working with this energy that taught me about letting go of the reins, trusting the energy, being willing to just enjoy the ride, trusting that I'm safe.

enjoying the ride, trusting that she's safe, all great things to take with us as we journey through life. And it's never about getting rid of all anger or fear or any perceived negative emotion. It's being able to be present with it, understand it, work to understand it if you want to, and then choosing, is this where I want to be? Do I want more of this?

So Sarah's not unique here. A lot of people are dealing with self-trust issues for many reasons. And this idea of let go, go with the flow, trust yourself, trust the journey. Again, if we can get that energy moving in one area of our life and we can focus on it and foster it and try to get more of that energy into our life, it'll eventually reach every part of our life. And so it might just be this

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metaphor that makes her feel good in the moment of this session. But we take with us these shifts, these changes are carried with us in our subconscious mind. Yeah, I think I was struck by not that the being wasn't intellectual, but I was, I guess, struck throughout the experience that there wasn't a lot of, like I wasn't aware of like mind chatter or like thoughts or reflections in that kind of way.

So it was different conceptualizing the three headed dragon as a spirit guide versus embodying it took out a lot of the like thoughts and emotions and it was just like a experience. know what it's like to have a hypnotic experience where I am able to access the ability to have minimal or no mind chatter. that feels so good.

In this life, it's just, it's constant. There's a lot going on up there, which I am thankful for. I enjoy most of it, but it is some sweet, sweet release to have an experience in hypnosis on one of these journeys where we're able to spontaneously, effortlessly just be that way. It's just so cool. So if I were Sarah and had that experience, I would mental note it.

And then in the future, when I feel pulled in a million different directions, like I'm unclear, I can't trust myself, I would even just sit in meditation or the next time I meditate, I would call forward that memory. I would just think about what it was like to be that dragon with no mind chatter. What a blessing. All right, everyone, that is the end of our episode today. Thank you so much, Sarah, for sharing your experience with us.

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